Honda Crf L and Rally 300!
 

Its as good as official now although the real release date is supposed to be 14th November. The Honda Crfs, L and Rally gets a bigger engine, it goes up from 249 to 286 cc, power up from 24,5 to 31 HP, tourque up from 22 NM to 26,2.
And the weight goes down 5 kilos from 144 wet to 139 kilograms wet on the L model. The Rally gets a bigger tank from 10,1 to 12,6 liters. And many more upgrades as well....

Its all over thai motorbike media now, where these bikes are made and where they will be released and sold first.

Honda motorbikes Thailand facebookpage: https://www.facebook.com/hondamotorcyclethailand/

Could be a winner ( just ) The old 250l was gutless ! ( had one for 12 months )
But still think the 300 is a bit under powered !
Wait and see :

Goes back to the how much power do you need discussion. Those numbers - 31hp, 26Nm, 140kg, 12.6L are almost exactly the same as the ones from my 250. That's a bike that dates from .... 1969. Back then it wasn't a 'bit under powered' plodder, it was a kind of hot shot aspirational sports bike. Yes traffic has got bigger, faster etc but the roads are (give or take a pothole or two) much the same and distances haven't changed. What has of course is everything around it. There are so many alternatives available now in every capacity and configuration, both new and used, stretching back in time as far as your nerve will take. Rather than being top of the heap it's in danger of being trodden underfoot.

https://www.aphonda.co.th/honda2017/...zYBdqFj_PBThKA

https://www.aphonda.co.th/honda2017/...gXHFr_zvmmaZaI

The question is - when will we get these to thenrest of the world?

CRF250 157Kg, 23HP, so add an 85kg dressed rider gives 10.52 kg/HP
CB500X, 196kg, 46HP, so same rider, 6.11 kg/HP
CRF300, 7.23 Kg/HP
Enfield Himalaya (with possibly different lies on the spec sheet) : 11.26 Kg/HP

Given the 250 and Himalayan manage on tarmac I would say the new spec puts daylight between Honda and Enfield on paper at least.

Andy

Good news for us taller riders - thanks for sharing

Sorry ...you cannot compare the himalian with even a honda 250 l
Tested one and its even more gutless than the 250l
Rant allmost over

You are not using the right specs here.
The first model of Crfs 2012-2016 had 23 HP and wet weight was 144 kilos

2017-2020 Crf L has 24,5 HP and wet weight is still 144 kilos, with ABS 146.
2017-2020 Rally has 24,5 HP and weight is 157 kilos.

New new Crfs 300 have 31 HP and weighs less.

Anyhow - its easy to get blinded staring at spec sheets. Personally I still prefer the 2012-2016 engine on the Crfs as it has more power in low and mid range RPMs. Thus its more useful on gnarly offroad riding.
A good example of how power delivery can decite a bit is the Kawasaki Versys 300 cc. It has 40 HP - at 11500 RPMs. The Himalayan has 24,5 HP at 6500 RPMs. Which engine would be best offroad do you think?
Then weight - its a matter of how the weight is distributed. The Hima has its weight sitting low, some other bikes are top heavy.
So dont get blinded by spec sheets - as they dont tell the whole truth.

And anyhow - if you are the kind of person that needs a trillion HP Crfs and Himalayans and such bikes wont even be considered I suppose...

neither are a patch on a wr 250r !
specs dont mean a thing in the real world !
Both bikes are very boring :scooter:

The broken record you are playing about everything except what you want is really boring.

Andy

goes round and round . just like peoples opinion ! :scooter:

Funnily enough I’m considering selling my WR250R. If I ride down through Africa, at some stage, I will probably buy a CRF Rally.
Yes the WRR is a better ‘riding’ bike but that’s only part of the equation on a long distance trip through remote areas and, potentially, difficult terrain.