here is very good close up video even under the bike, looking good I mean not visually because it's ugly but most previous ktm adventure bikes problems seem to be addressed. E.g. side stand no longer mounted directly to the engine, stiffer and reinforced headlight mount, easily accessible air filter (under the seat) etc

......and a garbage paper element air filter, ready for a K&N for the Starbucks crowd, really KTM?

I've been to some KTM dealers here in Germany these days and they're actually selling off last years 1090 models now for around 10k€ whilst the new 790 / R is just about to hit shopfloors these days starting from 12.4k€ / 13.4 k€.

One of the dealers mentioned he wouldn't understand the price politics, but you now have a chance for a very reasonable price on the 1090 in case you've been waiting for it.

for me you can shove that!! at 6'5" the 990 is a bit on the small side, I have raised the seat and lowered the footpegs just to make it comfortable.
ABS, egnine management mode, on road off road rain sport what have you canbus electrical system ""simple"" really?

dont get me wrong I am sure it will be a nice bike but simple is just not true, but none of the other new bike are simple either.

To me TALL or Extra TALL, and old fashioned electrics, no abs, etc, is simple, so no new bike for me :(:(:(

I think my days of ever buying an new bike are over, what I have is already TOO complicated.

The low tank is actually an argument for me to buy the KTM 790 Adv R. Look at the BMW F850GSA, the one bike in the same class that actually has the same reach or beats the KTM when it comes to reach. All the weight is far on the top. Vice versa KTM has decided to go with the rally-proven design to position the fuel low. I am not the tallest guy (1.71m) but have a lot of experience with high bike in the same class, currently the Africa Twin. So I am very much appreciating that the handling of the KTM will probably be superior to everything else in the class, 'cause of that low tank. And this makes life for me with my short legs much easer. Yes, I could have gone for the lower non-R model, but I'd like to have the full adjustability, even if the stroke length of the suspension might be total overkill for the kind of riding I do.
The only negative point of the tank is, that the width down there might make it difficult to pass trough the gabs between stone blocks on the side of road barriers, but of course I'd never do that anyway. Honestly...! :innocent:

I have a test ride being organised on both versions of the 790 Adventure hopefully by the end of this month.

The increased fuel range over my 690 (the 11.7-litre tank on my MY13 bike gives around 300 km range) would be welcome for real long off-road stages such as Western Sahara. I have a 30-in inseam and can just manage the 910mm seat on the lightweight 690, but would need a lower seat for a heavier bike. 880 mm for the 790R might be a tad tall.

KTM 790 Adventure £11,099
21/18 tubeless Avon Trailrider
850 mm seat
95 bhp
189 kg dry
23.8 kpl x 20 litres fuel = 470 km range
Service interval 15,000 km

KTM 790 Adventure R £11,999
21/18 tubeless Metzeler Karoo 3
880 mm seat

This is how a 2019 model 690 (with the bigger fuel tank) compares
KTM 690 Enduro R £9,599
21/18 tubed (though I use mousses in mine)
910 mm seat
75 bhp
146 kg dry
25.3 kpl x 13.5 litres fuel = 340 km range

As @5ooX points out above, UK dealers are discounting the 1090 Adventure
though I'm not keen on the 19/17 setup on the non-R version.

KTM 1090 Adventure (2018) £8,899
19/17 tubeless Metzeler Tourances (wheels too small)
850 mm seat
125 bhp
205 kg dry
17.8 kpl x 23 litres = 400 km range
Service interval 15,000 km

KTM 1090 Adventure R (2018) £9,899
21/18 tubeless Continental TKC 80
890 seat

I believe both the BMW 850GS and the Adventure version are tubeless and I'd love the 550 km range on the Adv. Not keen on the 17-in rear which makes it more difficult to source off-road tyres in remote countries.

BMW 850GS £9,875
21/17 presumably tubeless (would prefer 18-in rear)
860 mm seat (835 available)
95 bhp
24.3 kpm x 15 litres = 350 km range
229 kg wet

BMW 850GS Adventure £10,600
21/17 presumably tubeless (would prefer 18-in rear)
875 mm seat (lower available)
24.3 kpm x 23 litres = 550 km range
244 kg wet (due to increased capacity tank)

There's two schools of thought here. One is as you suggest, that you should be able to fix everything by the roadside. It has merit, absolutely. But the other is that with well designed modern electrics you shouldn't have stuff breaking down by the roadside in the first place, and that's where I'm coming from - and unless you want to cast around for antiques that's where you'll be heading sooner or later too.

I mean, how many people ride bikes with contact breaker points any more? How many people have had an electronic ignition system (not a generator) fail on a trip? How many people are on the road right now with fuel injected bikes. The world's changing.

yeah, this is clever design base on Dakar bikes. CoG will be low as opposed to new Tenere 700 for instance.

Here is nice size and weight comparison between those three, 1090R, t90R and 690R. The 790R is wider then 1090R :)

Joe Pitchler's travel blog through Africa riding a 790 Adv R. He's been on the road for the last three months!

Reiseblog Afrika 2018/19

And now I'm totally confused about the tubed/tubeless situation with the R 790. This photo shows the R being fitted with an inner tube: http://www.josef-pichler.at/content/blog-afrika/28/

But this site reckons the R has tubeless: https://ktm.adventurerallybike.co.uk/machinery

EDIT: Just heard back from the dealer, "Both bikes on the parts finder system are showing tubeless components" and a comment on AdvRider, "Default rims are tubeless on standard and R model, DID wheels (tube type) can be ordered from Power Parts." So I've edited my summary a few posts above to reflect this.

Again good points. My wifes bike is just off the road due to the hall sensors on the crank pick up. BMW R1200 owners suffer from antenna ring/fuel pump problems that there are third party companies making a good living selling get you home wiring solutions. There are multiple issues with owners having issues with lcd screens both on KTMs, and BMW,s, The current crop of 1190's/1290's take a look across various forums there are electrical problems a plenty that have not been addressed and sorted.
I love my KTM 990 to bits but the quality of the electrical connectors and components is appalling, an yes I carry a spare ignition unit, and its not even can bus at least I can work on that without the need for a computer.

I am in complete agreement with you that a well designed modern bike should not be an issue but the fact remains that they ARE, because the electrical systems are not yet reliable.

KTM 790 Adventure review (UK)

I don’t get to ride a huge variety of bikes so my notes below are very much a comparison of the 790 Adventure to my current KTM 690 R Enduro.

Any bike by definition is a set of compromises, especially in the long distance comfort vs off-tarmac choices. The 690 is one of only a few bikes that you can stick 50 kgs of luggage on, ride 1000+ km, and then head off over a ploughed field or sand dunes. Whilst not particularly comfortable, it swallows long distances and motorway speeds—I’ve ridden my London-based 690 from Aberdeen to London in a day which is 880 km (550 miles). In a 20-hour period I rode my Spanish-based 690 from Marrakech to Tanger, took the ferry to Spain then rode on via Granada to our cave in the mountains which was 1100 km (690 miles).

There are lighter (i.e. better) bikes for off-tarmac adventures, but they can’t carry sufficient luggage, would be excruciatingly uncomfortable for long distance, and have a service interval measured in hours rather than 10,000km. There are better (invariably much heavier) bikes for distance travel but unless you are an off-road god they are impossible riding in loose sand—I’ve been there and done it, with a BMW 1200 GSA, and have no wish to revisit the nightmare.

When I’m in Morocco I normally ride solo, often in very remote places, sometimes in 40ºC heat with no shade. Getting a puncture in tubed tyres in those conditions is a real downer so at the moment I run the Spanish 690 with mousses, an expensive solution as the mousses cost as much as the tyres and need replacing as often. Consequently the tubeless tyres on both models of the 790 are a huge positive as far as I’m concerned.

So… getting on with the mini review… The UK has basked in unseasonably warm sunshine for the last week with record temperatures of over 20ºC (70ºC) and there’s the danger of rose-tinted glasses when riding a bike in such conditions. But no worry, I woke to cold, grey, overcast sky and the promise (duly fulfilled later) of light rain. Jason Jones at The KTM Centre in Hemel Hempstead had the 790 Adventure waiting with only 40 miles on the clock. Trade plates were fitted as the ’19’ plates are only legal from tomorrow (1 March).

To differentiate the models I would have liked to refer to the non-R version of the 790 as the 790S but ’S’ is reserved in KTM nomenclature for alloy wheeled models. So I will call it the 790B (basic).

Looking at the paper specs, the 690 has a 910 mm high seat, the 790R has 880 mm and the 790B has 830-850 mm. But this takes no account of the seat curvature and the reality is that the 790B with the seat in the low position feels almost the same height as my 690. I have a 30-inch inseam and on the 790B am only touching the ground with the balls of my feet. I suspect there will be a lot of potential 790R customers out there who will either move to the 790B or have to do some form of lowering

The extra 50 kg of weight over the 690 wasn’t particularly noticeable when moving the bike around and it felt lovely and light on the road, very balanced. The fuel tanks look rather bulbous in photos but you don’t notice them. Much of my riding in Morocco is at ‘bumbling along’ speeds and I often get 300 km range. Similar riding with the 790 would allow a 470-km (290 mi) range which is really impressive.

The first thing that will impress everyone is the TFT instrument panel which in addition to the usual rev counter, speedo, warning lights, also shows multiple trip odometers, ambient temperature, battery charge condition, fuel range, fuel consumption, ride mode, ABS mode, traction mode, and so on. The various bike settings are controlled by a four-way handlebar switch. Thanks to the intuitive software, when it started to rain, I was able to switch the ride mode from ‘street’ to ‘rain’ without even having to slow down.

The noise from the standard silencer is quite muted. Riding the bike with ear plugs it was hardly noticeable. I have a Wings exhaust on the 690 but this was fitted primarily because the standard 690 can/CAT runs so hot it melts plastic roll bags! The 790 cat is under the engine and I would probably run the 790 with the standard exhaust.

I took the bike north on the M1 motorway seeing what it was like at high cruising speed. The airflow over the windshield was fine and I rode for some time with my visor up. The windshield is adjustable and could be lowered by maybe 25mm to ensure the helmet is in clean air. Also the much lower R windshield could be fitted.

The engine has ample power, feels more like 1000cc, pulls well from under 3000 revs in 4th, feels very happy at high revs. The fueling is spot on, no hiccups in traffic, the engine is smooth with no vibration, and a constantly clear image in the rear view mirrors (vibration-induced mirror stem failure is common on the 690).

I meant to take note of the seat comfort but forgot to, which says something quite positive about it. One major advantage of the 790 is that it can definitely take a pillion. I have ridden the 690 with my wife on the back but it’s only viable for short distances, it’s cramped and one’s gonads are rather squashed.

Having ridden north for a while, by now I was well and truly lost so I thought I would use the bike’s simple navigation facility to route me back to The KTM Centre. I had the 790R owners manual on my iPhone so I stopped to read this to check how to link my phone to the bike’s TFT screen. First of all, I had to download KTM My Ride from the Apple App Store (£7.99). I got it linked and then set up a route in the KTM app back to Jason, but couldn’t work out how to display the app on the TFT screen. I was a bit exposed sitting by the side of the road, so I skipped that and used Apple Maps on my Watch instead.

I took a twisty route back through the Chiltern hills. By now the bike and I were firm friends and I was really enjoying myself. I probably didn’t go over half throttle the whole journey but loved the way the bike reacted.

One unsung aspect I really like are the twin storage compartments either side of the bike, one holds the tool kit, the other could be used for chain lube or other needs. I didn’t think The KTM Centre would thank me for take the bike off-tarmac in the rain in what are half-half tyres (Avon Trailriders) but I did try standing on the pegs and everything felt good. Yes, it’s not as light as the 690 but then I’m often off-tarmac on the 690 with 50+ kg of luggage and the 790 sans the luggage would be about the same.

What didn’t I like? I thought the side stand foot should be bigger so it doesn’t sink into mud or sand. I never understand why they are invariably so small. I couldn’t think of anything else I didn’t like.

I would probably fit a louder horn and like the idea of fitting Barkbuster hand guards with built-in LED running lights so oncoming traffic in Morocco realises I’m not a moped.

wonder how this bike compares to 690R, when I tested 690R some time ago I was not impressed.

@tremens: It's all to do with trade-offs. The 690 R is very much in the style and riding manner of an enduro bike, and KTM being very much 'Ready to Race' build the 690 with hard suspension to deal with how they perceive it will be used.

Which is nothing like how I use it. LOL

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2019...c004838132.jpg

I borrowed a 701 in Ouarzazate recently and found the engine smoother with better fueling. I believe the 2019 Enduro R has many of the 701 improvements, so should be quite an improvement. But it's still an enduro with road-legal bits added, whilst the 790 is a road bike at heart, along with the Africa Twin, BMW 850GS and so on.

Owners manuals
790 Adventure: https://www.ktmshop.se/documents/19_3213918_en_OM.pdf
790 Adventure R: https://www.ktmshop.se/documents/19_3213919_en_OM.pdf

so the question is will you replace your 690R with new 790R? :)

Very tempting bike indeed but the new engine is relatively new and not sure we can trust it yet, heard some reports about overheating, oil leak etc on duke 790 forums. Also TFT dash can be problematic, when it's fail bike could not start for instance. Have seen such cases.