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mollydog 20 Jul 2018 17:44
New KTM 790
 
Moved from T7 thread



Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Senior (Post 587075)
Not so unknown, the 790 Duke was launched in Europe earlier this year and being a sports model it'll be well tested by the owners. And that's without the testing by KTM themselves, who have been blasting round on development models for at least the last 3 years, with pre-production adventure models being used in offroad competition during this year.
The new 790 has only been out a year now and very few out in the public so far. And the 790 Duke has not been released in USA yet! So, I'd say it's still early days on that engine and the bike overall.

I'm sure KTM have pre production bikes out there and the race team testing is invaluable. But small part and involves a small number of machines.
Lets hope they've got it right first time out ... God knows they've taken enough time! (probably busy fine tuning the Chinese plant operation? )

Will you be a Beta tester for this new KTM ... on your pound? :smarts:

mollydog 20 Jul 2018 17:50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Senior (Post 587071)
Don't be too quick to knock Chinese manufactured bikes. The brand owners have been chasing cheap labour all round the world so are well used to instilling and ensuring their global quality standards. They don't just give them a set of drawings and say "off you go"!

A friend of mine had a Honda Innova as well as the Chinese branded equivalent, both made in the same plant in China. The Honda was everything you'd expect, slick, reliable, well finished, and the Chinese bike made for the local market was shoddy, sharing only an engine and a shape. If European and Japanese companies manufacture abroad they are very careful to make sure the product quality stays the same, the only effect should be that it costs you less because the poor sods who make it for pennies earn less in the process.

So regardless of where each bike is made you should judge it by the standards of the parent company not the local market. That said I intend to buy either a 790 or a T7, as I want a relatively lightweight bike that can eat up the miles but doesn't flounder like a whale off road. My thoughts were the KTM, as I believe they have made great strides in reliability while still maintaining a performance focus, but I'd consider the Yamaha if the weight is comparable.
Good post! and so true. I don't see any China bashing on this thread but we see plenty of that on other forums ... especially KTM and BMW forums.

So true, this is all changing and as you say, it's the parent company that matters. They set the standard. All we need do is look what is coming out of Thailand. The new Triumphs are damn good. Most ALL Thai made with Japanese engine parts and internals.

Tomkat 23 Jul 2018 14:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkabout (Post 587078)
Somewhere just north of 100 HP according to the sales pitch which is comparable with, say, the 95 HP of the 800cc TIger.
Maybe why BMW have "upped" their engines to 850 and "750" for the mini-GS range.
Yes but remember the Duke sits in the "Supermoto" category and is tuned for power. The Adv is projected to have around 90 which should be good for longevity but still result in a good performance from a bike intended to be the lightest in its class.

Walkabout 27 Jul 2018 10:46
790 ktm
 
As factual an article as anything else in print to date:

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocia...coming-in-2019

PatOnTrip 6 Nov 2018 16:30
More info is now available for the two new KTMs: 790 adventure and 790 adventure R.

Seat height: 33.5 to 32.7inch (R 34.5inch)
Suspension travel:
- front: 7.9inch (R 9.4inch)
- rear: 7.9inch (R 9.4inch)
Ground Clearence: 9.2inch (R 10.4inch)
Dry weight: 189kg
Tank 5.3gal

[url=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/11/2019-ktm-790-adventure-combines-street-and-dirt-capabilities/]2019 KTM 790 Adventure Combines Street and Dirt Capabilities

Tomkat 6 Nov 2018 16:47
https://www.ktm.com/en/travel/790-adventure-r/Overview

I think the comparisons between the 790 and the T7 just stopped. With just 72 bhp and weighing in over 200 kgs dry, the T7 has shot itself firmly into the Africa Twin category. The 790 is thus a bike out on its own, lighter, more powerful and, with the pannier type tank, no doubt feeling a whole lot lower.

I'm pleased they are offering a base and R model, as the base looks pretty good for adventure touring while the R will be a bit higher with more electrickery for sporty riding.

Next questions, when and how much???

GenXrider 6 Nov 2018 21:39
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Originally Posted by Tomkat (Post 591489)
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Next questions, when and how much???
March 2019 and US$11.5k is my guess based on the info I have seen to date.

KTM dealer in Bogota will have a demo(s) units by the end of this year so I'm told. Let's see if that plays out, I hope so!

I agree, Yamaha T7 just got killed off. Although they do have until 2021 the expected USA release date to fix it :-)

tremens 7 Nov 2018 09:28
189 kg dry and 20 liters tank with 450km range so it's about 204 kg wet, not that bad similar to T7 which has smaller tank and range as well as less power.




still heavy, not sure why some would buy this instead of 1090 adv R?

Snakeboy 7 Nov 2018 21:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by PatOnTrip (Post 591488)
More info is now available for the two new KTMs: 790 adventure and 790 adventure R.

Seat height: 33.5 to 32.7inch (R 34.5inch)
Suspension travel:
- front: 7.9inch (R 9.4inch)
- rear: 7.9inch (R 9.4inch)
Ground Clearence: 9.2inch (R 10.4inch)
Dry weight: 216.5kg
Tank 5.3gal

[url=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/11/2019-ktm-790-adventure-combines-street-and-dirt-capabilities/]2019 KTM 790 Adventure Combines Street and Dirt Capabilities
That weight specs are far out! The KTM 1090 is 205 kilos dry so no way the 790 can be ~ 11-12 kilos more. The specs in Tremens thread seems correct - 189 kilos dry and ~ 204-205 wet.

PatOnTrip 7 Nov 2018 22:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakeboy (Post 591564)
That weight specs are far out! The KTM 1090 is 205 kilos dry so no way the 790 can be ~ 11-12 kilos more. The specs in Tremens thread seems correct - 189 kilos dry and ~ 204-205 wet.
You are right Snakeboy. I did the change.

Patrick

tremens 8 Nov 2018 06:45
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholo (Post 591568)
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Yamaha's build quality in their top of the line models is unequaled even by Honda
where did you hear that fairy tale? :)

GenXrider 9 Nov 2018 22:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholo (Post 591584)
KTMs on the other hand always seem to have some reliability issue which has kept me from buying one
Maybe 5+ years ago, but not anymore.

You only have to look at some of the RTW reports, more than a few 100k+ KM's 1190's still going very strong.

Tomkat 12 Nov 2018 12:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cholo (Post 591568)
if you dial in reliability; I think the comparisons have just started for me. In a travel bike, reliability is at the top of my list of priorities; and here KTM just stalled.
I'd agree about the importance of reliability but I wouldn't agree the 790 can be judged on it. After all this is a virtually brand new engine, KTM have done a mahoosive amount of work to develop it and there have been no problems I'm aware of reported in the 790 Duke which has been out for nearly a year.

It's wrong to judge KTM by the standards of its past bikes (though BMW kinda trades on that), and even if you do there are plenty of examples of machines that have clocked up huge mileages with no problems.

Tim Cullis 13 Nov 2018 14:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomkat (Post 591489)
I find it incredible that KTM thinks this is an advert for an adventure travel bike. Enduro yes, but definitely not Adventure.

Let's see some photos with luggage and sensible off-tarmac riding, not some juvenile Top Gear type antics.

50 kg heavier is not a selling point to me and I definitely don't need any extra power, so it looks like I will stick with my KTM 690 'bumbling adventure' bike.

The one thing that might have swung it for me is if KTM had made the spokes external to allow tubeless tyres.

Tim Cullis 13 Nov 2018 17:19
I've tried both. Against things that penetrate the outer tyre, the thickness of the inner tube has no relevance.
Heavy duty tubes might help with 'snake bite' punctures when you are running at low pressures over rocks and where the tube gets pinched, but there's a downside that even when fully inflated they limit the speeds you can run at due to heat buildup.

Slime has never worked for me. Some people report that once a tube has had slime in it, you can't patch the tube, but I find it washes off just fine. But then I rarely patch tubes, I replace the tube with a new one and then have the old tube vulcanised.

So at the moment my preferred options are tubeless or running mousses. I use mousses in my KTM 690 Enduro. Michelin BIB mousses are a real PITA to fit but they last as long as the outer tyre.


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