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New Royal Enfield Himalayan
Its been rumoured for a while, and we are getting closer to the public launch. In the meantime the Royal Enfield team let us have a little teaser on their new Himalayan 450….. (from ADV-Pulse)
https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/ro...ounces-launch/ |
A little more rumours about the new Himalayan:
https://www.advrider.com/royal-enfie...50-dual-sport/ |
Its as good as ready for launching now….
https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/ro...ts-final-form/ It lokks better than the old Himalayan me thinks. But what about weight??? |
And who else than Noraly does the first real testride of the new Himalayan…
https://youtu.be/XKibLgw6JJ4?si=nVbbumnXI7PaW4-v |
Thanks for the posts, the new model looks a great improvement.
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Had these running around work when they were still in mid-development, interesting to see how the metalwork up to the dash is styled differently to what I saw ... I'm sure they're a big step forward in many ways, though to me they're not as good looking, and I'm not a fan of the way everything in the motorbike industry escalates to more power and complexity
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To be fair it isn’t just the bike industry. On the other hand the bikes of today offer reliability undreamt of thirty years ago, using so much less fuel whist developing much more power generally. Yet the bikes are now harder to service for te keen owner than ever before with lots of sealed units - however it is the sealing of those units that has, in many ways, led to the reliability we now expect. Again this is true of cars as well as bikes as well as many other products
I am hoping that the new Himalayan has retained the character of the original, I haven’t had a proper look at it yet and look forward to seeing it at the Motorcycle Show in Birmingham next month - I suspect I won’t be alone. I will try to snag a test ride on one too when they are available locally. |
Interesting discussion about «the way everything in the motorbike industry escalates to more power and complexity» I more than tend to agree with the gentlemen above here. I have come to experience that its more fun, economical and conveniant with smaller bikes with not so much fancy equipment and other stash… (I currently own two 250 cc bikes, and thats all)
But a bit strange that this discussion comes up in a post about the new Himalayan. The old Himalayan is ~200 kilograms and has 24 lazy horsepowers. It has approx the same power to weight ratio as a modern 125 cc bike. Now that the Himalayan seems to get 40 HP and hopefully not much more weight - I can hardly see that this is a development into «more power and complexity» Yes it gets a bit more highly needed power and a liquidcooled engine - but 40 HP and liquidcooling arent exactly noveltys in the motorbike business…. Now for the KTMs, BMWs, Africa Twins, SuperTeneres, Multistradas, Pan Americans etc etc - well thats a whole different thing…. |
Don’t get me started on power to weight ratios. They tend to be meaningless. Put my daughter on a Huyabusa and it won’t make any significant difference. But me on the same bike and es, you will notice the difference - the weight of the rider is a significant proportion of the all up weight. In addition adventure riders are not exactly known for carrying small amounts of luggage.
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Gotta be careful with power to weight ratios; I had a 2021 UM DSR Adventure 125 for a few months (15hp/140Kg, cruising speed of 80kmh, but NO torque) and currently have a 2021 Tango (10hp/105Kg, cruising speed 70kmh, all the torque).
My other half has just bought a 2021 Himalayan and it's far FAR faster off the line than either those 125s and cruises at 90kmh. It's about on a par with the CBF250 (incidentally the perfect motorcycle, apart from it's emissions). I think going from 25hp to 40hp while adding water cooling is the exact definition of more power and complexity. There are few (any?) low-tech off-roadable bikes in the region of 22-25hp with Euro5 emissions now. |
Tubeless tyres would be a plus. I don't think I will ever buy another bike with inner tubes.
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I did a couple of years at the HU France meetings, loved the campsite and the small scale of the event.
At one, for a laugh, I started a talk in my absolutely appalling French, but after a couple of minutes I switched to English, much to the relief of the audience. |
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Ok - some selfboasting from Royal Enfield. Power is mentioned to be 40 HP and some tourqe curve is also presented. But other facts and technical specs are not yet revealed….
https://youtu.be/keVoECYNGg4?si=GZVXego7Mt9TOTZ5 |
More specs are leaking out now before the official launch day of 7th November.
40 HP we already knew, 40 NM of tourqe, 196 kilograms curb weight, 17 liter fuel tank, LED lights, blue tooth connectivity to the dash so that you can use your phone in the pocket as navigation etc etc etc. https://lonelymusafir.com/2023/11/01...Ifb-jP_eIt07mA So power and tourqe is significantly up and thats great, a little more fuel capacity is great too - one should probably be able to ride 450-500 kms (275-300 miles) at least if one think in terms of approx 30 kms/l. But the elephant in the room is still the weight - at least it hasnt gained any weight… Blue tooth connectivity to the dash so that you can use maps from a phone in your pocket is a good leap forward - as long as this system works properly then…. |
A good comparison from the old Himalayan to the new one….
https://youtu.be/LrHWYcgPfso?si=V3lYduLCg2lwwvEI We also get to know it has ride-by-wire and different riding modes, that it has 21/17 rims with a 140 rear tyre (thats rare as most 650 singles has 130?) The new Hima rews a good bit higher than the old one, that the engine is liquid cooled, 90 % of the torque is available at 3000 rpm (thats surely mist be an exaggeration?, bigger brake discs both front and back and more… |
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Given the increase in displacement and power it's probably going to be thirstier, so I'd guess the bigger tank is to compensate for that. Riding the previous version enthusiastically on road I got 3.25L/100km (over 310km ridden, last week) which gives a range of about 450km.
The weight not being much less makes me feel more confident about looking for a good used 2021-2023 version for myself next year. |
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The new Hima will of course use a bit more fuel than the old but Royal Enfields are generally not so thirsty - so around 30 kms/l should be possible if not riding very hard. The new Hima will have a 6 speed gearbox and export models will come with tubeless rims/tyres. |
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Visordowns first review of the new Hima, and the testrider didnt quite like the engine performance…
https://www.visordown.com/reviews/mo...q4gwyst4m4sc84 |
Strange that as the bike world tester really enjoyed it .He thought if they can get it sub 6k it will fly out the showroom .
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:rofl: A braver man than me. :biggrin3: Whether it's because they remembered you or whatever there was some accommodation made this year for us linguistic monoglots. No talks in English but there was a 'table Anglais in the dining area so we could all sit and speak 'foreign' Quite a few nationalities found their home there - not only us Brits but a few from the Americas, the antipodes and even a couple of Germans. Desperation does give you strength though. Via a few breakdowns and other force of circumstances I was amazed by how much French I actually could remember. I remember sitting at breakfast at the event with a couple of French guys and talking with them in French for a good half an hour over coffee and croissants. And even more came bubbling to the surface when I was having to deal with the recovery people ... :( |
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I saw the new Himalayan in the flesh yesterday at the Motorcycle Live event in Birmingham UK.
Quick observations: Seat position - really natural position, with the control feeling i the right place from the start - obviously there will need to be some adjustments made to put the pedal at precisely the right angle. Sadly, I didn't think to check that yesterday. Seat height - I am about 1.81m tall (a shade under 6 foot) and have a 32 inside leg - my feet were flat without putting any weight on the bike Wheels - the gold anodised wheels are tubed but the black ones are tubeless - this option is available for all bikes. The reason for not on the gold wheels is something to do with the anodising process - I don't know any more. Price - the price in India will be announced this weekend (25/26 November 2023) - prices around the world are meant to follow on from that. Hopefully it will come in under the price of the Triumph Scrambler 400 (about £5,400) but we shall see. |
The prices have been confirmed by Royal Enfield as follows:
Base Model £5750 Mid Spec £5850 Summit £6300 So the base model is a little more expensive than the Triumph Scrambler 400 (£5400). More information here with MCN |
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When it comes to the review and test I generally respect and like MCNs reviews of different bikes, but I cannot help but smile a bit of their 4 out of 5 stars rating in the «build quality and reliability» dept…. The bike has been out 2-3 weeks for crist sake!!!doh |
I noticed the other day that the new model is now in the shops as a demonstrator but I haven't had the chance to try one out yet. Has anyone had a go yet and I wondered how they compare to the original Himalayan?
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The new Himalayan is finally presented in Usa and the yanks seem to like it a lot:
Big Rock Moto: https://youtu.be/3LyEKQc-_aA?si=nFBo3eCljei3Ia_q Dork on the road: https://youtu.be/RKjeu3S07X8?si=97YxdpnKqGOtTdSp Cycle News: https://youtu.be/Tf_cyk6LAx0?si=D-i71XlNFNV7Nwrg |
I like Big Rock, I’ll give it a watch bier
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High Atlas with Himalayans
I was thinking of buying one so we rented a couple of 450s for a week in the High Atlas, covering nearly 3000km.
It didn’t help that they were WYSIWYG rentals with bald stock tyres, but while we found some great new routes up in the mountains, neither of us ended up converts. The 450 is an improvement over the old 411 (which I owned) in just about all ways, and even did 96mpg at one point. But if you're getting on a bit and still like exploring new trails in remote places, they’re just too heavy for what they are. Full review: https://adventure-motorcycling.com/2...3000km-review/ https://adventure-motorcycling.com/w...m45bend-1.jpeg https://adventure-motorcycling.com/w.../weeksaro.jpeg https://adventure-motorcycling.com/w...4/him4513.jpeg |
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