SWM enduro
 

I popped into my local shop s'afternoon and was taken aback to see a brand new make of enduro. I know the name SWM from way back when I rode trials, but to see a trail biased 650 enduro at £5800 otr..........it was enough to give me impure thoughts so pease don't tell my beloved XT. The dealer said it is fundamentally a husky with Marzochi usd forks ,Sachs rear, grease nippled linkage, pillion pegs, 12 litre tank, 144kg. Anyone else seen one out n about?

seen that also on a magazine
and
Superdual - Adventure - SWM Motorcycles
the engine is coming from husqvarna.
ant this a "raid"model ...

I didn't realise that this bike had started to be imported to the UK.
The Italian company SWM have a longish, rather convoluted history of motorbike production - but which Italian bike manufacturer does not?
Company - SWM Motorcycles

They now have Chinese money invested in them, from Shineray.
It seems like a competitive price for these days and it is said that the bikes are assembled in Italy from parts shipped in from China, presumably the Shineray connection.
Just in case anyone is inclined toward the hoary old argument about Chinese manufacturing, it is worth remembering that Pirelli is now owned by a Chinese company. It does seem that China is moving in strongly on the Italian manufacturing capability.

Also, I understand that the same engine will be fitted in the new AJP PR7 when that comes to the market.
Small wonder that CCM have lowered their asking price for their GP450.

It will be interesting to see how many dealers start to stock the SWM products.
Models - SWM Motorcycles

The dealership situation for Europe looks like this at present:
Sales Network Europe - SWM Motorcycles

And the UK side of things for importation:
Home - swm-motorcycles

AJP also have the new PR7 in DS spec with the Minarelli motor.

http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/u...R7-561x374.jpg

Reliable 660cc LC single with 50hp, good suspension and rally raid fairing for reasonable money. This alongside the SWM, CCM 450 and other outsiders will be bringing the fight to the 690 Enduro R a bit hopefully. Love the KTM but competition will further improve the sector.

http://www.ajpmotos.co.uk/ajp-news-a...x?itemid=32170

EDIT - Sorry got mixed up with the PR5 somehow, corrected.

I think they have ditched the 660cc Minarelli motor for the 600cc, Husqvarna derived, engine shown in the links above.

The Italian language website says 19 litre which is big enough for most uses. That's for the "Superdual"; perhaps you saw the enduro model earlier today?
That will be this one:
RS 650 R - Enduro - SWM Motorcycles

SWM do have quite a lot of models. :thumbup1:

Ya know what, I had some real confusion about that; originally my post said it had the same motor as the SWM because I read something about it recently, then when I googled for another photo due to a PR5/PR7 photo mixup and almost every link said it had the Minarelli, including the AJP site so I frantically edited it again. Not my finest hour, sorry HU :oops2:

It's a changeable world!
I just mixed up the enduro with the superdual; maybe there will be a SWM stand at the NEC show for this next week and they can be viewed.

I read somewhere that AJP won't be showing the PR7 this year, but it was in Milan apparently.

I'm popping up to the NEC tomorrow so I'll let you know what I find in the land of AJP and SWM!

It was definately 'enduro'. The shop had a road wheel version of the same bike as well, So are you saying that there is a big tank version of the same bike? Wow that would be worth test riding

It was definately 'enduro'. The shop had a road wheel version of the same bike as well, So are you saying that there is a big tank version of the same bike? Wow that would be worth test riding

I'd be surprised if SWM uses a "Husky" engine. Remember, Husky is owned by KTM ... has been a few years now. A Husqvarna is now just a KTM in slightly different spec and set up with differences to body work/graphics.

The old "Italian" Huskies are long gone ... or are they? Maybe SWM are using left over Engines from Italy? But wouldn't KTM own those ...? Or BMW ? (BMW sold Husqvarna to KTM ... very cheap!)

Not sure KTM would approve supplying engines to a Chinese competitor ... and Bajai (who own half KTM) may not either ... or ... ??? maybe this "Husky" engine is one produced in India? (like 390 Duke) I've heard they would be having more involvement in KTM/Husky product line.

Anyone know for sure the true manufacture origin of the Minarelli engine?

I did not know Pirelli was in Chinese hands. I guess in Italy, everything is for sale. Changing world indeed.

There is Chinese money ( they have nothing to spend it on) and Chinese components in everything. The difference between tat and decent products is the management.

I like the look of their SR400/MASH road bike competitor.

If the UK importer reads this; get one of your staff to ride 5000 miles over the winter. The first Chinese brand that proves their bike does not turn into a rusty puddle has my serious attention. A parts catalogue with availability on line then secures my money.

Andy

Yes, it's the "dualsport" in the link below.
19L tank and about 15 Kg heavier than the enduro model.

To give an idea ;
It is my friend , the local SUZ dealer, who showed me this bike on " moto journal" :thumbup1:. It is a legend to ride a SWM, they were in advance in the 80'.
And the husky are different from ktm . Damn' pushing engines.
What i found out in my little riding on hard trails is that the dampers, forks and weight as homogeneity make the différence.
Il is like passing through a time tunnel from 80 on a loaded XT to now on a light DRZ.
This SWM adventure is gonna be something . on trails .
And dont want to buy a Honda 500 :oops2:

When SWM have a dealer in every town and have a national government who would prevent them going bust I will cross Honda off my list of possibles. Until then I think you make a choice between effectively different offerings..

Just now I'd have to buy the Honda. They would give me a loan bike to go to work if a CB500 was broken..

Andy

i get the point !
Nothing personal AGAINST honda ( love the 6' of Mike, the NR 750 an so on ) , just the point is that alle the jap' look and feel the same now . :oops2:( i change my GSXR for a mv B8 :rofl:)
as honda is a reference anyway .
Shall use e DL 650 for a big travel

However, seeing the earlier post about the AJP PR7 that will be built with " only " a 600cc, I am from now squirreling pennies away, and dreaming.

About the dealers , service and so on .

My friend/SUZ sells also the mash : not so bad but based upon an old 400 cc DOHC Honda and the cycle part is old style ... but nice bike .
As he talked about the SWM like a kid in front of a new toy, maybe he would be "crazy" enough to import one ???? sells also aprilia .
In this case i will choose th 400 Scrambler .... no use really but for the style :D

and the 500 enduro is only 119 kg , on a short raid with a GLoop and a tank bag, could be terrible ...OK with a bigger fuel tank:scooter: lets say 15 L

OK, now it's all making some sense to me. :thumbup1:
Thanks for the info.

I always wondered what would happen to that facility in Italy ... good to see SWM
got it and are making bikes there again.

The 630 engine was a good one ... but does have some issues. Hopefully those issues have been dealt with?
:innocent:

I looked closer at the pics and can see it is indeed, the "old" Husky engine. I remember reading an article years ago where the writer did a tour of the factory.
He pointed out that the Husqvarna engines were built on the same line as MV Augusta engines ... and that Ferrari was helping with tech and engineering. Not a bad thing. The article showed pics of this same Husky engine on the line with MV engines in the background.

about mav I have just rode my B8 this morning, around zero degrees ....
this bike is really finition level of the japonese now ; just need more caring : it is a racing stuff :oops2:
the swm might be the same ?
surely
nothing to do with the moulinex stuff !!!

No SWM in sight
 

I went to the UK annual bike show yesterday but it wasn't there.

Very little was there in fact: no SWM, no Honley or WK (who were both present last year), no AJP (but AJP had said they couldn't get there in time from the Milan show).

There was lots of interest at the CCM stand though with plenty of folk talking with the staff (the latter are not quite like those who are at the big bike stands).
CCM now have three versions of the GP450 that vary in the amount of extras offered as standard.
GP450, GP450S, and GP450RS.

ps
Speaking with a Yam rep on that stand: Yamaha UK no longer import the XT660R or XT660X models.
They still bring in the XT660Z at a list price of £6999 (I think it was - I was reading it up side down on his desk).
But the 660Z was not on display at the NEC bike show - it was that which prompted my question.

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Yesterday I came to the Suz' place , they made a very good job on the DRZ giving a 8/10 cm of height on the handlebars, did not want :thumbup1: to change the brake, neither the chain : could make some k a new plate ....

Anyway he said the SWM would be around 7000 euros :oops2:, no SWM in the Paris bike stuff !
The importer is known as a :censored: one .

Thanks for the eyes on update on the UK show scene. We don't hear much about it here ... and our shows are a joke by comparison with several major OEM's bowing out. Sounds like a similar thing is happening in UK. (Reason given by some OEM's is that show promoters are gouging , charging a fortune to rent a stand for 3 days)

I guess the new companies will have to find another way to introduce riders to their new bikes.

:rain:

There are a number of other bike shows which can meet the need to view new products; that particular one has been something of an annual event but, sure, it does bounce up and down a bit in levels of both support by the importers/dealerships and the visiting public.

Yam UK's lack of interest in importing 2 of the 3 660cc minarelli engined bikes may indicate lack of sales prospects in the UK for 2016 and/or intent to replace it in the nearish future.

The big names were present in strength by the way - a big presence, in terms of floor area alone, by BMW with the UK Honda owners club located quite close by (the big manufacturers are generally separated by a few other display stands of "lesser standing" in the pecking order.

when ?
 

Hi can you precise about these minarelli motors ? on yam ??? :D
Is it on other bikes ?:scooter:

http://www.minarelli.com/pdfeng/xt660.pdf

The AJP PR7 was going to use it; apparently no longer though.

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hi guys ,
Will be riding a new SWM 500 soon . Found one with a price cost which was staying in the shop : very few in France :scooter:

BUT there are now aftermarket stuff for it
guard, tank from husky models, protection for radiator and
I was caring about the service intervals of course beer like on enduro bikes, supposed to be 2000 k' . I talked with the guy, told me that if " i knew what to do" ( ie checking air filter, removing oil, and co ) it might be doubled, which is OK for my little trips around Spain and Morocco .

and, it is NOT a ktm :freezing: ( 3000 € cheaper ) bier