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mudguard extender
Hi all,
I am new to XT having recently purchased an 02 xt 600 e, I am considering purchasing an extender for the front mudguard to try and protect the engine from some of the rubbish that flies up. My question is does this impact on the cooling significantly if at all. Thoughts on the the matter much appreciated. As another thought has any one used Acf 50 and is it any good. Many thanks |
I remove my during summer to help get more air to the head. I've also cut down the fender a few centimeters to get even more airflow.
Im not sure how much it blocks, and how much it helps to remove it, but I know I've had no malfunctions of any kind from removing it. |
I'd be very surprised indeed if this made much difference to airflow - or enough to effect engine temperature.
The most important thing here is having the right amount of good quality oil. Also the right kind of riding style when the temperature increases (keep the bike moving forward but keep the revs low). :thumbup1: I actually think a front (or rear) mudguard extender is an excellent idea to stop mud being flung up into the engine. It never ceases to amaze me why the manufacturers never fit these extenders as OEM? Perhaps it's the look who knows? Once the front of the engine has been covered in mud it's very difficult to get the stuff off. :( ACF50 = damn expensive! If you are lazy and wish to get long term protection with just one application, this makes more sense. I use GT85 = Cheap (£2.99 from Aldies). It leaves a thin film which protects nicely. I also use copious amounts of WD40 year round. |
Thank you both for your quick responses, I think I will be getting an extender there is a noticable difference in engine getting hot. It's got to be worth a try just to keep the engine a bit cleaner.
I will definately have a look for the GT 85 stuff and give it a go, one thing I know is that no matter how good my intentions may be I will not spend as much time cleaning the bike as I should, it is and will be a workhorse that is out in all weathers, perhaps not snow unless i'm out when it comes down. Once again many thanks |
Almost forgot - BIG welcome to the forum. :D
This is a superb resource for all XT6 owners. Make sure you download the service manual and parts manuals too (stickies at top of this sub-forum). Don't be nervous to ask any question there are literally hundreds of very knowledgeble XT nuts here who will be happy to help you out... Stop lurking and start posting. :thumbup1: |
Many thanks I look forward to many years of having my XT and I am sure will spend a fair bit of time on the site.
Cheers Ian:thumbup1: |
Have downloaded the service manual and parts manuals, a bit of light reading, thanks for the fantastic resource bier
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I have used ACF50 once and it was brilliant. It gave what seemed to be complete corrosion protection to my Bandit which lived outside through a Welsh winter. However, it's not very nice stuff to use, it's very hard to get off (good for metalwork, not good for tyres and brakes), and if you get it on the exhausts it stinks for days. I didn't buy a second can.
For the XT, it gets a jetwash when I can find the time, and a spray all over with WD-40. That seems to be enough. I have found GT85 to be pretty good too, but it doesn't smell as nice as WD-40. |
Thanks for your suggestions blackdog zulu I think i will try without the acf first and see how i get on, only had the bike a few weeks and i will have to clean it already to keep on top of it.
I am definately not one for polishing bikes but I want to keep the xt for a very long time so good intentions say keep on top of the basics. |
Hi,
Fitted one of these years ago to my xt, never had or heard of any probs regarding cooling issues(yamaha would`nt sell them otherwise). Saves your frame paint and saves on the amount of rubbish thrown onto the engine front. Also protects your headers if you ain`t fitted stainless ones Andy. |
Cheers Andy, beer
I haven't got stainless yet and will try and preserve the standard for as long as possible, definately going to get the extender, just makes sense to keep as much road dirt of the headers as possible. Ian |
Hi, Ian
I can vouch for the Yamaha font-mudgusuppliedard extender and had one fitted to my XT6E until the warmer weather came back to stay (touch wood). It's quite expensive for what it is, though (at about £25, I think, without any screws or nuts), but it's quite nicely made and actually looks quite smart on the bike. It's still available - I ordered mine sometime around Christmas from a local Yam dealer. The extenders were a standard fitment for the Scandinavian market and they almost certainly will impair engine cooling to some degree (which was part of the reason that I got one for the winter). It's only held on by 3 screws, so you can easily remove it for the summer (if we ever get enough of one to make that necessary, of course :O) - without exposing any real 'construction mess' - which is exactly what I have recently done. In fact, I've drilled some vent-holes in the bottom few inches of the mudguard that are covered by the mount part of the extender when it's on, just for a little extra air-flow... And I think it IS only a little extra - but I considered it worthwhile even if it only gives 1% better cooling. BTW, you can gain an idea of the engine's temperature with an oil-dipstick-thermometer fitted (for not much more than the price of the Yam mudguard-extender). I find mine very informative, viewable whilst riding (don't study one for too long and hit a tree, though). As for ACF-50, I can really vouch for it but I second BlackDogZulu's warning about it. It is so microscopically thin and slick that any beading of it on the bike seems ultimately to make it to the garage floor, below. Start collecting newspapers now - to lay between bike and floor before you apply the stuff. HTH Nick. |
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Regarding keeping rubbish out of the engine,does anyone have any thoughts about fitting a rally type fender ie. fitted to the fork legs.
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http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Emezo/...20Bike%201.jpg Mezo. |
you could have the lugs tig welded by a pro! xP
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the part number you need for the genuine fender extender is 3TB-21521-01 still available, I bought one the other week for around £22 from webbs in peterborough.
I didnt drill the guard to fit it, just used good quality silicone sealant and held in place with clothes pegs. I know it works, had on on my honda hornet for 4 years and it never fell off. As for overheating, dont think theres no way this would affect engine temps ! |
If you look at the fender, where the extention fits, you will se it most definately shield the motor a lot.
People with oilcoolers mounted around the cylinder, cut the fender down, or cut the fender open and install a mesh-screen to get windflow to the cooler for it to actually work. The engine wont die becuase you use the extender, but you will get slightly higher oiltemps, all other things beeing equal. |
Firstly an apology for being so long in responding to everyone, I just haven't had time to get round to it, as always advice is brilliant, hoping to get down to my local yamaha dealer very soon. Will take the part number with me. I think I will postpone fitting it short term until weather cools down abit but definately before it turns particularly foul. As i intend to ride the bike right through the winter, I will take it off the rode to get it preped in readyness.
Once again. Thanks to all. hopefully one day I will have enough knowledge to offer advice / opinions rather than just ask questions. Ian |
By the way, the XT is a brilliant winter bike. It just goes on and on, starts first time, plugs away whatever the weather. With decent sticky tyres (I use Distanzias) it sticks like glue to a wet road.
I wouldn't trade mine for the world. |
After a recent off (green laning) amongst the damage was a front mudguard in several pieces. As a replacement i took one off the kx, not a perfect fit as the heat from th exhaust kinda modified it lol. I did wonder at the time though about cooling as the oem part is vented. However several weeks later i aint noticed a difference in cooling at all.
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The airflow and cooling is governed by quite a few factors, Rick. You say there's a different mudguard there now, so it'd be reasonable to presume that it doesn't have exactly the same profile as your knackered one and possibly 'cuts' the air a little differently.
With regard to the vents, these will let a little more air onto the front of the engine (especially the upper part) - and then past it to the back - but it probably isn't a huge amount. I think the comparison earlier in the thread was more to do with the difference between the extender directing lots of cooling air way down the engine instead of that air passing over a much greater area of it without the extender, which may be more noticeable than without/with vents - but maybe not in these rather 'between-season' temperatures (unless things are much worse in 'olympian-medal central' [up there in Yorkshire]). The physics speaks for itself - so there IS a difference - but you need to be comparing like for like in the other areas, in order to make a proper comparison. I also think you'll struggle to notice any significant difference whilst making 'adequate progress' through air that's well within the ambient temperature margins of 'easily enough cooling' and 'nowhere near overcooling'. When the climatic temperature gets really hot or cold then the difference may be more apparent in terms of struggling more/less to either stop the gauge-needle getting alarmingly high, or to warm the darned engine up to full operating temperature when the climate's 'raw taters'. Hey, and welcome! (I see you're pretty new to the HUBB - I'm quite new to it, myself [Good, innit?]). Quote:
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Well when ya put it like that lol ;-))
Yeh am new, thanks for the welcome, Anyway am picking up a new mudguard tomorrow, albiet universal polysport yamaha supermoto thingimy whatsit. Hopefully a better fit. Be interesting to see if that has a noticeable affect?!?! |
Does anyone have a link to stores selling these?
The real question is... how to get rid of that monstrousity that is the bonus rear fender/plate holder. Have been looking today for ways to lose that horrible lump. Has anyone modified theirs? I saw people talking about a UFO unit but wasn't having much luck on google! |
You should really make a new thread regarding the rear end, just to make it easier to find the right topics in the future. Anyhoot:
I've modified my rearend to take away that 80's look. I think it helped a lot, especially togther with smaller mirrors and blinkers, it gives the bike a much cleaner look. Oeh yeah, the rear end is raised aswell. Here's an old pic: http://tenere.dk/forumnew/uploads/987/DSC00690.jpg |
Hi, Jens
May I ask how you raised the rear end? Was it a different shock, jack-up kit or other? Cheers Nick Quote:
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See this thread: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...spension-60728 |
Thanks again, Jens. May well give it a try.:thumbup1:
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