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My experience of Russia is that they don't worry about very much until you draw attention to something, then it's up to the authorities to do something about it. If it worries you, find out what the sign should say, but I wouldn't fix it on the vehicle until someone asks you to.

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Try waytorussia.net they have a road travel forum specific to Russia which is run by Russians - horses' mouth and all that.

They'd be able to help with the correct wording as well - you'd hate to end up with a Monty Python Phrasebook version of "Caution : Right Hand Drive" coming out as "Beware : Nazis Drivers".
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I drove from Vladivostok all the way across Russia in my RHD Landcruiser last summer and didn't get any hassle about which side the steering wheel was on. I heard that the Russian government was talking about banning the import of RHD cars and even, in typical heavy-handed Russian style, about cancelling the registrations of all RHD cars already in Russia, but it had to back down in the face of protests(!)

A little bit OT, but make sure you don't fall foul of the visa registration rules while you're overlanding through Russia. The police/PVU aren't used to people sleeping in their own vehicles rather than staying in hotels, so they can take a bit of convincing. In practice this means keeping receipts from all shops, filling stations etc to prove that you haven't stopped anywhere long enough to need your visa registered. And if you DO stop anywhere for 3 working days or longer, make sure you get your visa registered and keep the receipt (spravka) for this as well.

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I drove from Vladivostok all the way across Russia in my RHD Landcruiser last summer and didn't get any hassle about which side the steering wheel was on. I heard that the Russian government was talking about banning the import of RHD cars and even, in typical heavy-handed Russian style, about cancelling the registrations of all RHD cars already in Russia, but it had to back down in the face of protests(!)

A little bit OT, but make sure you don't fall foul of the visa registration rules while you're overlanding through Russia. The police/PVU aren't used to people sleeping in their own vehicles rather than staying in hotels, so they can take a bit of convincing. In practice this means keeping receipts from all shops, filling stations etc to prove that you haven't stopped anywhere long enough to need your visa registered. And if you DO stop anywhere for 3 working days or longer, make sure you get your visa registered and keep the receipt (spravka) for this as well.

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We spent about 3 months in Russia and the only place was in the Altai region where the border guard actually showed us that we need to register our visa within 3 working days from entering russia.

Besides from that we've stayed in hotels for about 12 nights in total. 43 of those in Moscow and 6 in St petersburg. We never registered because the hostel wanted to charge an extra RR600 p.p. The only way they can see how long you've been in one place is if you travel by public transport ie plane/trains/buses etc where you will most likely have to show some form of ID when booking a ticket. No one ever bothered about asking for any evidence when we left the country on 3 different occasions...
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Well, it depends very much on who you are unfortunate enough to come across. I entered Russia through Vladivostok and had to stay there for 2 weeks awaiting my car (shipping and customs delays). I had stayed in a hotel for the first night and had asked them to register my visa. They apparently did so, but I wasn't given any stamp on my immigration card (and didn't know one was needed). The first time I was aware of any problem was when I tried to stay in a hotel in Khabarovsk and got refused because my visa hadn't been registered. After this I called the British Embassy in Moscow and they explained about the registration system. It was they who advised me to start keeping receipts. They also told me to expect trouble when I left Russia as I hadn't registered my visa properly in Vladivostok. That being said, none of the frequent police stops I had to make for document inspections ever gave me any trouble about the missing registration stamp on my immigation card.

When I drove to the Omsk border with Kazakhstan, the guards seemed to take a liking to me and one of them stuck his head around the door of the passport control and said something to the woman. I don't know if that helped, but I wasn't given any hassle about my visa.

A month later, I re-entered Russia through the Orsk crossing. This time I kept receipts right from the start AND registered my visa properly with a stamp on my immigation card. About 10 days before I left Russia, I was near Red Square with a German when we both got stopped by the tourist police. I was able to prove with my wad of receipts that I hadn't been in Moscow for long enough to need to register my visa there (or indeed any other part of Russia); the German didn't have any proof and had to pay a 500 rouble bribe.

Finally, when I left Russia at the Latvian border, the Russian passport control people went through this wad of receipts with a fine tooth-comb, and even made a phone call to check my passport wasn't forged.
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As Islesmark (Hi!) says - much of it depends on the mood and immediate private life cash flow requirement of the border personnel.

I once had every entry/exit stamp (then 14 of them) checked against the computor. And on two other occasions they have queried the stitching of my Passport - having twisted several pages to see it !

To return to the original topic, I also have never ever seen the equvalent of a "Caution RHD" sign, nor has 'her indoors', a Russian.
In my estimation at least 10% of cars in Moscow and 70% in the east of Russia are RHD, mostly being second hand imports from Japan. Russian drivers generally are not interested in being courteous and making allowances - just filling the roadspace immediatley ahead of them before someone else does!

Be aware the Roads police are not very fond of RHD cars and they are the first to be pulled over in the daily hunt for bribes.

However if you want to make up such a notice for your car (it would probably look good down at the pub, if no where else) you could have it read " Внимание - руль справа!".

You might even try " Осторожно - я выпендриваюсь! " LOL

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As Islesmark (Hi!) says - much of it depends on the mood and immediate private life cash flow requirement of the border personnel.

I once had every entry/exit stamp (then 14 of them) checked against the computor. And on two other occasions they have queried the stitching of my Passport - having twisted several pages to see it !

To return to the original topic, I also have never ever seen the equvalent of a "Caution RHD" sign, nor has 'her indoors', a Russian.
In my estimation at least 10% of cars in Moscow and 70% in the east of Russia are RHD, mostly being second hand imports from Japan. Russian drivers generally are not interested in being courteous and making allowances - just filling the roadspace immediatley ahead of them before someone else does!

Be aware the Roads police are not very fond of RHD cars and they are the first to be pulled over in the daily hunt for bribes.

However if you want to make up such a notice for your car (it would probably look good down at the pub, if no where else) you could have it read " Внимание - руль справа!".

You might even try " Осторожно - я выпендриваюсь! " LOL


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