|
24 Feb 2009
|
Gold Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wymondham, Norfolk, England.
Posts: 45
|
|
BMW Bevel Drive Bearing
I have a 1150gs Adventure with just over 93000 miles on the clock, 83000 done on our RTW trek.
We're two up with camping gear wieghing 500kgs.A bit heavy I know-but!
I'm on my third Bevel drive bearing!
Has anyone tried using roller bearings as a replacement? Would this improve the wieght carrying & life expectancy?
Or any other sujestions to improve the life of this pain in the butt bearing!
Regards Pooley.
www.pooleglobaltrek.com
|
24 Feb 2009
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Philadelphia, US
Posts: 646
|
|
Contact Tom Cutter...
Rubber Chicken Racing Garage: Quality Work. Classic Touch.
I think he developed the shims to eliminate frequent issues...you cna contact him by email, and he can probably ship you the parts.
|
25 Feb 2009
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Estonia
Posts: 787
|
|
Shim (preload) the bearing correctly in the first place and make sure the crownwheel's 2 bits aren't loose with the glue.
See here:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...failures-38600
|
25 Feb 2009
|
Gold Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wymondham, Norfolk, England.
Posts: 45
|
|
Thanks for the advice guys, but I can't understand why just making shimming adjustments will help the loading of wieght on a load of metal balls in a cage will make any difference. Again, surley roller bearings are the way forwards?
Thanks for the link, I'll contact JC and see how he got on.
Regards
Pooley.
|
25 Feb 2009
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Estonia
Posts: 787
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by pooley
Thanks for the advice guys, but I can't understand why just making shimming adjustments will help the loading of wieght on a load of metal balls in a cage will make any difference.
|
It would, because I ALSO ride near 500kg bike 2up full gear and often in hard offroad conditions, places where most of people would never go 2 up!
And mine did well over 100,000km without any problems!
The seal started to slowly leak on mine @ 105,000km after the abuse on Ruta-40 in Argentina. I had spare seal and bearing with me, the bearing was more or less fine, but I wanted to test my ability to change the bearing in the village in Argentina - just to test the bollocks about the speculators in different forums who say you're on the road once the bearing goes - you are not. I successfully changed and re-shimmed my bearing on the road. Carrying spare bearing+seal with you takes a lot less room than a chain set, costs less too. Although as said, the bearing on my bike probably would had more wear-room left (I'd estimate at least another 20,000km). If shimmed correctly, statistically, the ball bearings should last around 150Kkm, depending how hard offroad or how much smooth-tar riding you do. Higher loads would maybe reduce 15-35% of the longetivety. Also the the manufacturing quality of each bearing plays a big roll (as I understand the manufacturing quality can vary a lot! And don't buy any cheap ones).
Quote:
Originally Posted by pooley
Again, surley roller bearings are the way forwards?
|
In my mind there should be more drag (more friction area - rollers against bearing race), meaning considerably more heat and thus wear, while balls just roll in the oily groove (and correct shimming is to have them rolling exacly in the middle of the groove, not rolling "sideways"!). Not sure if the original bevel box casing is designed to keep up with the heat and expansion the roller would create in this case, especially in a very hot and hard conditions. But I could be totally wrong here too.
As you already noticed, some are testing roller bearings, let's see how they do.
|
25 Feb 2009
|
Gold Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wymondham, Norfolk, England.
Posts: 45
|
|
Bevel bearing
All good advice, thanks. The old girl's done 93000 miles now and this bearing is the only repetative problem, and as you say, cheeper than a chain and sprocket set!
So when does the shaft let go?
Pooley
|
9 Mar 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Mandurah, Western Australia
Posts: 231
|
|
I've done 22,000km since my modification, no sign of wear yet. Previous bearings went out on less than 18,000km, done by dealers as well as myself, makes no difference. Maybe I was just unlucky, but I had enough after the 5th time. I will add a detailed description on the mod, including contact details where I bought the bearing in this week. I'm in Bogota now, so have some time updating website etc. I've just replaced the shaft seal on the dif and had to remove the shaft, no wear on the universals whatsoever, not bad for 153,000km.
Johan
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes.
(ONLY US RESIDENTS and currently has a limit of 60 days.)
Ripcord Evacuation Insurance is available for ALL nationalities.
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Every book a diary
Every chapter a day
Every day a journey
Refreshingly honest and compelling tales: the hights and lows of a life on the road. Solo, unsupported, budget journeys of discovery.
Authentic, engaging and evocative travel memoirs, overland, around the world and through life.
All 8 books available from the author or as eBooks and audio books
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|