|
2 Feb 2005
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Estonia
Posts: 787
|
|
Tubless tire fitting/removing on the road
So there's R1100GS, spoked wheels and tubless tyres. When i want to replace the dual purposes to offroad tyres on the road then...
What tools do you recomend not to do harm on the wheels? Is there some special toolset available (small and lightweight, optimum for travelling)?
Also is manual pump recommended on the road, or BMW pressuretube/repairing set does the job well on repairing punctures?
Margus
|
6 Feb 2005
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: london,england
Posts: 191
|
|
you can use a small g clamp to break the bead first, then either tyre levers with plastic rim protectors (from bike shops) or toutatech sell some funky looking tyre levers/wedges that look as though they might be good. personally i carry a foot pump to inflate the tyres.
|
4 Oct 2005
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Back in UK, planning next escape
Posts: 60
|
|
You can also break the bead by riding slowly on deflated tyres over soft ground.
__________________
Life is... the gap between one big bike trip and the next
|
5 Oct 2005
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver, BC, for now...
Posts: 792
|
|
...if i may make a few sugestions. Before you leave, do a practice tire-change. If you get the idea now, you will be far more confident when you are broken down in the middle of NOWHERE!! Cary in your toolkit large tire-irons. Mine are 14" long, ive needed every inch. Also carry a small wire-brush and dish-soap. During your practice-run, make sure your rim is perfectly clean with the wire brush. When re-mounting your tire, use lots of dichsoap. This helps your tubeless tire seal, but more importantly helps you break your bead. I've never needed more than my irons to break my beads, as long as i've used lots of dishsoap. Cary lots of extra valves, o-rings for the removeable valve stem, valve removal tools (the little caps on your valve-stems), both rubber cement and vulcanizing fluid (for tubeless patches) Emory-cloth or sand-paper, and many high-quality patches for both tubes and tubeless tires. Don't forget plugs and the requied tool!
Finally, even though you you have tubeless tires, cary spare tubes! Recently i was stuck in Utah (In the middle of NOWHERE) with a slash in my rear sidewall. I tried to patch it from inside, but rubber cement failed. Need vulcanizing fluid for tires, and proper patches called boots. A tube finally saved me, and lasted for over 1000 miles
Carry a cheap wallmart electric pump, wap it in a rag and never leave home without it! I've had mine for over 50000 miles! Also, carry a piece if nylon webbing, availiable from any sporting good or rock climbing shop. You will need this to wrap around your tire and tie a knot. Then slip one of your irons through it and twist, tightening the bead to the rim so it will seal, holding air and sealing the bead. One inch nylon webbing wraps up into a little ball and takes up less space than rope.
Hope this helps
|
5 Oct 2005
|
|
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Munich, the beer capital
Posts: 1,060
|
|
Interesting thread...
Mr. Ron, I don't quite follow what you do with the nylon wrap but the rest sounds good.
IMHO the first option with tubeless tyres is always the plug. If that doesn't work the next option is a tube. Personally I feel safer with a tube after a puncture than with the plug.
With my R80GS it is no problem to force the tyre from the rim by using the centre stand which saves the g clamp and means that a 10" tire iron are sufficient. I've got some nice light-weight aluminum ones.
The trick with the centre stand is to use the weight of the bike to force the tyre from the rim. If you lean the bike to the side, slide the tyre under the stand until the stand is right next to the rim, then move the bike back into an upright position. Plop.
Just make sure to fasten the frontwheel or fork and the centre stand so they cannot move. As Mavis wrote, Touratech offers wedges to allow for a gap to fiddle in the tube.
The only problem is the weight of the bike. The R80GS is easier to handle than the 11xxGS. There you would probably need assistance.
Good luck!
Hans
__________________
Only when we pause to wonder
do we go beyond the limits of our little lives.
(Rod McKuen)
|
5 Oct 2005
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Norway
Posts: 1,379
|
|
.... or you can simply break the bead by put the tire under your mainstand.
|
6 Oct 2005
|
|
HU Founder
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: BC Canada
Posts: 7,313
|
|
centerstand = main stand
__________________
Grant Johnson
Seek, and ye shall find.
------------------------
Inspiring, Informing and Connecting travellers since 1997!
www.HorizonsUnlimited.com
|
17 Oct 2005
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: london,england
Posts: 191
|
|
its all very well saying drive over it or use the stand, but some times its just not possible. carry a g clamp and make life easy. its also usefull for holding stuff to weld/bend/cut.
|
17 Oct 2005
|
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posts: 26
|
|
An excellent video regarding tire changing in the field on the 1150 GS Tubeless Tire is GlobeRiders™ BMW 1150 GS Bike Kit Instructional DVD ( http://www.globeriders.com/video_mul...ltimedia.shtml) I highly recommend this video to learn how to do all kinds of things on your 1150 GS in the field. This video shows that you can change the tubeless tire with just the bare minimum (2 - 8 inch BMW tire irons, WD-40, and the side stand – it’s all technique). I have changed tires in the field 3x’s ( http://www.mikesworldtour.com/april_may2005.htm - See pictures #2 & #3 from the top of the page). See if you can borrow a copy from your dealer or a friend.
------------------
[This message has been edited by mikesworldtour (edited 16 October 2005).]
|
17 Oct 2005
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cape Town / South Africa
Posts: 207
|
|
BMW have suplied some older models with two tire levers in the tool kit. These are about 6 inches long and the are useless (too short), but you only need one long lever to lift the beading free from the rim and a small tool to keep the beading from slipping back over the rim when you reposition the other lever.
I would recommend take one 6 inch lever and one lever 12 inches for more leverage or power.
To brake the beading you need to lay the wheel flat with the disc facing the top and something soft like a towl or rag under the hub for protection and step with both feet on the tire using your body weight to force the bead of the rim. This will allow you to first put the long lever behind the beading, hooking it securely and while pulling outwards on the tire you start to lift it over the rim. Once it is over you use the short lever to hold the tire beading in that position and move the long lever 2 inches over or as far as it will go before you force anothe section over. Go on like this till you are more than halfway round and then it will become easy.
The CO2 kit supplied by BMW are as useless as the short tire levers and are only nessesary if you fit tubeless tires. If you fit a tube the air will not escape so the slow flow from a handpump is not a drawback and you can nicely pump the tire to any presure you need. ( try get a specific presure with a CO2 cylinder.)
|
18 Oct 2005
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cape Town / South Africa
Posts: 207
|
|
I must appologise as I though I read fitting tubed tires.
Everyting I said is good eccept that a handpump is no good to try and force the beading back on the rim. ( harder to get the beading on than to get it of.)
If you have the space a handpump is still needed to get the tire to the right presure.
Mr Ron's mention of the soap is very importand as this helps to form a seal between the loosly fitting tire and rim just before you use the CO2 cylinder ( or compressor) to allow the air in fast enough to pop the beading back over the rim.(make sure there is even contact between the rim and tire al the way around on both sides before you let the air in as fast as possible.)
I must say that because you will not always be succesfull at doing this and not have a compressor with unlimited air I would recoment to ride with tubes. It is a lot safer if you do a lot of offraod or dirtraod traveling where the tire presures ar lower. ( the sudden escape of air from a tubeless tire after hitting a bump at high speed can be very dangerouse, and believe me if you run low presure on your tires, witch you should if you ride in loose stuff, will cuase this to happen easely. )
[This message has been edited by gsworkshop (edited 17 October 2005).]
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Next HU Events
ALL Dates subject to change.
2025 Confirmed Events:
- Virginia: April 24-27 2025
- Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
- Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
- CanWest: July 10-13 2025
- Switzerland: Date TBC
- Ecuador: Date TBC
- Romania: Date TBC
- Austria: Sept. 11-14
- California: September 18-21
- France: September 19-21 2025
- Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025
Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!
Questions about an event? Ask here
See all event details
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|