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always remember you can make semi permanent cold weather clothing out of newspaper and plastic bags underneath summer riding gear. much cheaper/adaptable and easy to replace or add to.
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An idea I last saw in use by tramps (Hobos in the USA version of English) but that was years ago - no tramps seem to be on the roads nowadays, not the good old fashioned type.
Bubble wrap does a similar job as the newspapers and is naturally water resistant so it doesn't need the poly bags aspect.
Get enough of it and it doubles as a sleeping mat, but it is bulky to pack, of course.
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Secrets of Warmth by Hal Weiss. Great book on dressing for for warmth ,comfort or survival.
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Light and versatile, for all climates
I've tried just about every high tech fabric for undergarments out there and have come to the conclusion that nothing can outperform merino whool when it comes to regulate body temp, wether it is scorching hot or freezing cold. Also, nothing wicks sweat or dries faster after having been washed (a necesity if you want it dry the morning after it has been washed the evening before). Merino also works well in keeping you warm even when wet. Merino is also "self clensing, or so they say".Merino also feels way more comfortable than both synthetics and cotton... unlike other whool, it does not itch. Only downside is that it is expensive and not as durable as synthetics.
I've also come to the conclusion that layering with clothing that can be worn on their own is far better than having lots of single purpose garments. I therefore often replace the insulating layer in my riding gear with a fleece pant and jacket, which can also be worn as an outer layer. I also find that multiple thin layers are better than a few thicker ones when it comes to regulating body temp, both on and off the bike. It also offers more versatility and saves on space and weight.
On the torso I prefer garments that can be zipped or buttoned up rather than sweaters, because it makes it far easier to regulate body temp when riding or when getting off the bike. It also makes it easier to remove and put on.
As I usually ride very long days I will most often go through great changes in climate in a single day. Having an outer layer that protects me from wind and water, and several insulating layers that can be opened or closed, makes for less hassle, more time and distance, and more comfort. Button down shirts that can have its sleeves rolled up or worn as a thin jacket ior as a dress shirt s a must have on every trip.
I've done a few trips with kevlar jeans, sweaters or liners, combined with removable protectors for increased versatility, enabling me to leave the cordura at home. I've come to the conclusion though that they are far inferior for protection from both the elements and in the event of a crash. It is also a cumbersome and uncomfortable option for riding through changing climates. The kevlar pants are also hot and uncomfortable off the bike, and dry slow when washed. They do make for more versatility and lighter packing though, and you can just get off the bike and walk arround without looking like a space invader. As I usually ride without much more than the occasional fuel stop and a some speedy drink and chow before I park the bike for the night, the benefits of being able to walk arround in my gear do not outweigh the dual purpose garments drawbacks for my type of riding. I now bring the cordura, leave my Kevlar at home, and slip into my comfortable cargos upon my arrival. No more kevlar liners for me...
Cotton has no place on my trips, nor should it on any one elses... in my opinion
Clothing, on all trips more than a few days
BMW Rallye jacket and pants
Boots that can be walked in... Looking to buy a pair of Altberg now
Thin riding gloves with cuffs
Three season gloves or Gerbing electric on long cold trips
Merino t-shirt + 1-2 spare
Merino boxer shorts + 1-2 spare
Merino socks, thin + 1-2 spare
Whool/Synthetic ski socks, thick, 2 in total
Merino long underwear, 2 top and 1 bottom
Fleece pants with pockets (can be worn as insulating layer or as regular pants when the cargo pants are being cleaned)
Fleece jacket with wind stop
Micro fleece jacket
Button down shirts, fast wicking x 2
Hoodie
Cap
Sunglasses
Cargo Zip-off pants, fast wicking
Belt
Compact sneakers or sandals
Gerbing electric jacket (on long cold trips only)
Hat with mosquito net (on some trips)
Swim trunks/shorts (on some trips)
One piece rain suit, on some trips (seconds as a protective shell in the cold)
Ear plugs, for riding and sleeping
Leatherman
Wallet (sometimes also a fake wallet)
Water proof compression bag, ultralite camping type
Laundry net/bag
Small waterproof bacpack, ultralite
Helmet (shark evoline)
Water proof notepad + pen, pencil and magic marker
Toiletries
Compact fast wicking camping towel
Tooth brush (children size)
Castille soap bar (can be used for entire body, dishes, clothes... everything)
Tooth paste
Hair wax (don't troll me for being so vain)
Baby wipes
Toilet paper
Cleenex (seconds as toilet paper)
Razor
Sun tan lotion
Mosquito repellant
Laundry detergent, single packs
Wash basin plug
camping
Tarp and/or self standing two person tent without a vestibule
Insulated air mattress
Sleeping bag
Head lamp
Survival tin / first aid kit
Paracord
Clothes pins
Mathces/lighter
Pot
Spork
Thermocup
Food: bread, PBJ, instant coffee, sugar, snacks, brandy, tobacco, water.
Electronics
Dual sim smart phone
USB-charger, + 12v
Ear buds
Action camera
Compact camera
Mini gorillapod
Travel adapter
Kindle
Powerbank
Keyring flashlight
GPS-tracker (Spot tracker)
Other
Tools, spares, tyre repair kit, pump, etc
Work shop manuals
Papers
Spare keys
Firts aid kit and meds
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Psyllum husks... because it makes for a quick and clean emptying of the bowels... without the need of fifty meeters of toilet paper, i.e. due to some local cuisine making havoc on your digestion system. When you need to go on a desert highway with land mines off the shoulder on both sides, you will praise god for reminding you to take it... A clean ass also prevents monkey butt and riding sores, so Psyllum husks and baby wipes is a must have for all those long consequitive days of riding.
I no longer carry a cooker, camel back, water containers, or a whole lot of other stuff I have found i can live without. If you have not tried camping with a tarp instead of a tent, you should look into the possibilities it offers. Less is more. I only buy extra food if I know I will be bush camping, and then only what I can cook on an open fire. I try to eat dinner in a restaurant whenever possible. Breakfast and lunch is usually bread and PBJ next to the bike, to save time.
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This is a difficult one, especially when spanning multiple zones. For example if touring South America, it could be 39c in one place, yet down to -15c on the altiplano.
Carrying clothes and camping items to deal with those extremes will inevitably mean that you're hauling around some dead weight some of the time.
Yes, it's good to learn from mountain climbers and polar explorers etc... but you have to take into account they are constantly moving and generating heat. On a motorcycle, particularly on the road, you're sitting still, and facing 80mph winds. No amount of layering is going keep you warm when the temperatures really fall. You need heated clothing.
Also it's all very well packing clothing specifically for warm/cold weathers, but don't forget that you might need something decent too if you want to visit some nicer places. For example you'll look like an idiot going to a bar or restaurant in buenos aires in your moisture resistant North Face hiking trousers and trekking boots. Similarly if your host invites you to a party, or to an event.
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Yes, it's good to learn from mountain climbers and polar explorers etc... but you have to take into account they are constantly moving and generating heat. On a motorcycle, particularly on the road, you're sitting still, and facing 80mph winds. No amount of layering is going keep you warm when the temperatures really fall. You need heated clothing.
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I've repeated this exactly for years. Plus One on heated gear. On the USA side we've used Gerbing and other brands for decades. When I was in UK in early 2000's, no one had any idea about electric gear.
Handling the transitions is the hard bit. Good planning helps and having things go your way. We've seen dozens of travelers carrying full camping and cooking gear and hardly ever use it. Noobs always start out heavy ... then lighten up with experience and time on the road. Hey, to each his own.
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Nice list of stuff! Have you tested your Klim jacket in super hot, humid conditions? I have no doubt it will work in cold with layering, but it's the HOT I worry about.
If you only need a T shirt under in "normal" temps (60's, 70's, 80's??) then I'm pretty certain you will be par boiled when it gets really got and humid. Did you go down to the Amazonas region on Ecuador (referred to locally as the "Oriente" if I recall) Can be mid 90's to low 100's with 85% to 90% humidity.
You'll also have to get through Mexico-Cent. America.
If you go NOW (November through April) temps are "reasonable" but still generally hotter than "normal" range we're used to. I ended up strapping my jacket on rear rack, wearing back protector and elbow guards independent of the jacket. Remember, Gore-Tex works in COLD, but not in super heat.
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Last year I had my Klim Latitude jacket from 4 degrees F (-16 C) to 108 degrees F (42 C). I had a heated jacket liner, gloves and socks for the winter trip and lots of water for the summer trip. It's been a great jacket regardless of the temps.
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Last year I had my Klim Latitude jacket from 4 degrees F (-16 C) to 108 degrees F (42 C). I had a heated jacket liner, gloves and socks for the winter trip and lots of water for the summer trip. It's been a great jacket regardless of the temps.
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Wonderful! ... where were you traveling in the Summer trip?
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I usually take about 3 days worth of clothes. I stop in towns and use the laundromat once or twice a week when I'm riding for more than one week.
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I've been back for a while now. I put on 17,000 miles and was gone 3 1/2 months. I took 4 sets of clothes but I could have gotten by with 2 sets (wearing one and another packed). All my stuff was fast dry except for one pair of Levi's. Levi jeans were nice and I'd wash them if I knew I had 2 days for them to dry. I'd say three sets would be perfect for most. I washes my stuff every night in the sink with the motel shampoo. If I camped I'd wash them with some Dr Bronners.
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