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Panama border officials want to see $500
As proof of "economic solvency". This is a sign posted at each immigration booth:
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Proof of economic solvency for the duration of your stay in the country, which may not be less than $500 USD, by one of the following options:
A. Certified check or money order in the applicant's name
B. Travelers check in the applicant's name
C. Certified bank statement with the last three months that reflect available balance
D. Income statement or the like of the last fiscal year
E. Any other proof of income that is acceptable by the Nacional De Migracion
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Apparently this rule has been in place since 2008, but has only recently been strictly enforced. We crossed from Costa Rica into Panama via the same crossing (Pan American Highway) in March 2013 and were not required to show proof that we had $500 per person. I think the change must have happened sometime this summer.
Who carries any of the above when traveling?!?
In lieu of this, the border official said showing $500 each in cash would suffice. We were incredulous. We weren't about to wave a wad of Jacksons in front of a booth window in public! If I was a mugger, I'd have a field day knowing everyone who went past Immigration would have $500 on their person. So a car with 5 people is an easy $2500 right there, much less a busload of tourists?!?
We withdrew $1000 at the ATM around the corner, but instead of showing the thick stack of cash, we showed the border official our ATM receipt which showed the available balance. He didn't seem too happy about not seeing the cash itself, but he relented. Not sure every official would do the same.
So, be warned, show up with your bank or income statement if you're going to cross into Panama, or carry a small fan of Benjamins.
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D says the last three months of credit card statements, showing available credit. None of their beeswax IMHO but what are you going to do?
I guess you could go to an Internet cafe and print off the last three monthly statements.
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For the past 30 years or so I've carried first credit and then ATM cards. No one has ever quibbled at any border, despite the fact that all borders have similar rules. Did you try showing credit cards first?
Usually this sort of rule is really not aimed at the relatively well-heeled. It's always been used to keep out those deemed undesirable--at one time that was broke hippies, but these days it's more likely economic migrants.
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For the past 30 years or so I've carried first credit and then ATM cards. No one has ever quibbled at any border, despite the fact that all borders have similar rules. Did you try showing credit cards first?
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We carry several credit cards, none of them were accepted. If you check online, they started enforcing this rule this summer.
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Thanks for the clarification and update. Here's hoping the new requirements fade and vanish with time.
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proof once again of the idiocy of some 3rd world minds. you roll up on a bike, the value of which is the combined monthly salary of everyone in sight, 100's of miles from your home, and they want to see proof that you have a stinkin $500! and i'd bet a million that it is not enforced at airports.
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Exactly the same shit happens for us at every US border or airport .
If in Panama you blame it on the idiocy of 3rd world minds , what do you call it on the borders and airports up north ???
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Guaterider is right, of course, and I'd think any traveler should be able to keep this in perspective.
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except that determination is usually made long before you reach the border, since the US has such ridiculous visa requirements.
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Do you have to show solvency the same way and in what amount when entering other countrys at the borders or just the states. Being from up here I am totally nieve about it.
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First we have to show all kind of proof of economic solvency when we apply for the visa : bank statements , credit card , real estate, vehicles,business,job,income, ...
It takes 60 min to fill out the online application and then it takes 3-4 hours at the embassy for the interrogation . And it costs US$140.00 aprox
At the entry point of the 2 northern countries (US and Canada) it always depends on the officer . Usually at the airports we are asked only to show a return ticket . Last year when I crossed into the US on my bike , I was asked a lot of questions and I was required to show how I will pay for my stay in the US.
And of course after all this , our picture and fingerprints are taken every single time that we enter the US .
Last week I flew into Houston and it took me over 1 hour just to get through the passport control .
So basically borders are always a pain in the butt and the only difference between north and south is that we have much more borders down here
PS: Usually the Canadian border crossing is much easier as the US border and the Canadian officers are friendly
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We ran into some US ex-pats in David who had been living in Panama for the last 11 years. They have two kids, both Panamanian by birth, but because they themselves weren't citizens yet, they had to drive to the border every 3 months to renew their vehicle import permit, and every 6 months to renew their visa.
They've been doing this for the last 11 years and this was the first time they were ever required to show both economic solvency *AND* a return ticket back to the US. Needless to say, they had neither, so had to leave the border empty-handed. They were going to get bank statements, and buy a refundable plane ticket back to the US (where they have had no residence for over a decade), and then cancel the ticket after they got their visa extended.
They told us the rules change all the time, sometimes the visa extension period is 6 months, sometimes 4, sometimes longer. There was a new government elected last year and they are now changing all the border rules. They think this new requirement is a tit-for-tat for the US/Canada economic solvency hassle they put Panamanians through (and other Central Americans - as per Guaterider's post). They don't think it will last though...
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11 years living in the country and never got residency? that smacks of just asking to be hassled...
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I'm not sure what the advantages of not applying for residency in Central America are for US citizens, but it's not the first time I've heard of this. We were applying for our visa extension at the government office in Guatemala City a few months ago and ran into several Americans who had lived in Guatemala for years and kept on applying for extensions every 6 months... :confused1:
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It is all a game of keep up here, I have lived for 12 years in CR & Panama without residency, last week for the first time CR asked for economic solvency, a minimum of $300 as well as a ticket to somewhere, Panama is trying to enforce a ticket to your country of residency!
Luckily this part does not affect the bikers.
Yesterday on my way back to Panama I was asked for cash & told the official I had over a grand which was true & she did not ask to see it. In front of me was a small bus group of older women all waving hands full of cash, around 8k in total!!!!!!!!!
Brilliant idea in a place like Pasa Canoas!!
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