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Old 12 May 2020
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> "storing all of my equipment"? That's the part I don't get. What is it you're storing? I hear that all the time. "I put all my gear in the vestibule." Geez... what are people bringing which doesn't fit inside a decent sized tent?

You're right, I've been exploring my options and definitely don't need a big vestibule. Thank you for the amazing answer.
Heh. Hope you're not being sarcastic. Actually I get the same thought when I look at how much some people carry on their bike. Like, four panniers?

Granted, I'm not the most minimalist traveler I know, but I keep trying to improve. I do recall one time taking a kayaking trip with a few other guys. I carried the least of any of us. One day one of the guys says, "Hey, I don't suppose any of you have a scissors, do you?" I reached into one of my bags and gave him a pair of scissors. He says to me, "Jamie, you carry less than all of us, but whenever we need anything, you have it!"

I took that as a compliment.

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Well....If I'm staying in place for a bit in a campsite, I typically remove panniers (two or four of them) and put them in my vestibule. Don't want them weighing me down if I'm out exploring roads, trails, narrow downtown streets, etc., don't want to leave them outside exposed to theft, and definitely don't want to share my sleeping space with them.

Then there's the issue of not wanting to snuggle up against sopping wet riding gear if I've been out in inclement weather--pants, boots, jacket, helmet, gloves, stinky socks, oversuit and underwear. It all stays out in the vestibule. In fact, even a small vestibule gives me options for getting all that stuff off my body without doing it out in the rain or bringing it into the tent with me. I like that.

And finally, depending on wind direction and tent design, a vestibule (or at least overhanging flysheet) helps keep the weather out during entry and exit, and it allows leaving a door open for ventilation. I like that, too.
I have to say that I rarely stay in one place for more than a night, and if I do, it's usually a place where I've gotten a room, or in a few cases a palapa, or maybe I'm staying with friends somewhere and I'm planning to be off the bike during that time. If I'm exploring trails, I pack up my camp in the morning and head out because I never know where I'll end up by the end of the day. I can appreciate having an unloaded bike, but I just don't want to leave my stuff unattended for a bunch of reasons.

I've never had sopping wet riding gear in my tent. I wear rain gear over my riding gear when necessary, and on the few occasions I've made camp in the rain, I take off my rain gear and roll it up, or leave it draped over my bike, and then I get into my tent wearing my otherwise mostly dry gear.

I have found that in a two-man tent, I can lay out my sleeping pad, fold up my riding gear, helmet, jacket, boots, and the few other small belongings I need for the night, and there's plenty of room. When I camp with my solo tent (which also doesn't have a vestibule), I do end up laying half on top of my gear and it's a little tight. That's why I usually use a two-man tent on my bike.

It's clear that most people like to have that extra space. Kind of like a porch or mud room on your house. And garage and attic. But I just don't need all that space, and to me it just gets in the way.

What I find curious is that not a single tent manufacturer anywhere in the world that I can find makes a good quality, light-weight, three-season, self-standing tent which doesn't have a vestibule. I do have a mid-level tent that meets those needs, but I've been looking for one that is a bit lighter and packs a bit smaller.

Thanks for all the insight. I rarely travel with others, so it's interesting to see how others do it. I'm always looking for better way to do stuff. Incremental improvements.

Jamie
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