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Replacement Rear |Shocks

Hi all. I am in the early stqages of planning a long distance thro'-Africa ride on either my Enfield 500 Bullet or my F650 (2006). I've heard of many travellers having shock problems. What options are there for user-servicable shocks. Someone mentioned YSS. Any others? I've also seen it mentioned that Oholins and Wilburs are not the best and hard to fix when wrong especially if you're in a less than European country. Any suggestions?
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There are many opinions regarding shocks.

Companies like WP and Øhlins can make good shocks. The problem is that people are not willing to pay so cost are reduced wherever possible and quality can be low. Many of the WP-shocks fitted as standard to BMW is an example of this.
My BMW/WP had a problem with worn plastic bushings. On my KTM the same bushings are made of metal and rarely fail. My Øhlins have metal bushings and they seem to last forever.

So basically it's a question of what's inside the shock, the sticker outside doesn't guarantee quality.

If there is a good shock-specialist in your area tell him what you would like to use the shock for and ask him what services he can offer. I've had shocks rebuild to fit my needs and they work nice without breakdowns, so far.
I have also had shocks rebuild at the wrong places and the result has been bad.

I also mean that shocks should be serviced regularly. Not only to avoid breakdowns but as most other things they work best with fresh oil and the correct gas-pressure.

It's hard to find somewhere to service any kind shock in Africa. On the other hand a new (or serviced) unit have good chance to make a single crossing. When I crossed Africa I had a failure on a WP in Namibia but it failed after 110kkm. I bought a new one (still WP) and continued to Cape Town and back to Europe.
If I had serviced it before I went it would probably have worked the entire trip.
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Hi all. I am in the early stqages of planning a long distance thro'-Africa ride on either my Enfield 500 Bullet or my F650 (2006). I've heard of many travellers having shock problems. What options are there for user-servicable shocks. Someone mentioned YSS. Any others? I've also seen it mentioned that Oholins and Wilburs are not the best and hard to fix when wrong especially if you're in a less than European country. Any suggestions?
Chris
Have a look at Yacugar shocks they really are good and cheaper than the swede's stuff !! Ours are still going strong after 7000 miles of dirt and 18000 total.

Have a look at the link on our site

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Dampening wise while they do make your bike a "magic carpet" compared to OEM shocks I'd still stay away from Öhlins when it comes to heavy loads, long distance over bad roads combination. WP is also questionable in this sense. Wilbers is probably the worst quality among the bunch.

Most of aftermarket shocks just aren't designed for long distance abuse under heavy loaded overland bike. They're designed for light bike, short burst/frequent service conditions. Hence they're called "Racing" products.

In many cases OEM shocks work optimal if you put strong progressive spring to avoid bottoming out and let it do less work (less main seal friction and no overheating). Although heavy, not so finely-tuned dampening and mostly "unservicable" (a good suspension specialist can overhaul ANY "unservicable" shock no problem) the stock shocks have one good advantage - they mostly have strong steel bodies that can take abuse under heavy bike without deforming on long term. There're many exceptions of course, depending on the model and manufacturer.

Our lightweight "racing" aluminium body Öhlins split in half in Pakistan. Wilbers just blow the main seals every 1000km or so. I think we spent some 1/10 of all RTW budget on repairing Öhlins and Wilbers in third-world conditions.

The only aftermarket shock that worked for us was Hyperpro - we just couldn't kill them while the bike around it was desintegrating. Although Hyperpros are also sold under "racing" guise but in comparison with Öhlins/WP/Wilbers shocks Hyperpros look more like a heavy duty shocks and probably heavier too. The working rod is considerably thicker compared to both Öhlins and Wilbers, and the main body is more robustly built. There's no fancy gold or white colours or other shiny "bling" details on it, so they're probably not for those who like fancy looking shocks, but function wise they rank very high in terms of reliability after our RTW, way ahead to the famous Öhlins from our example. As said it was the only shock that worked flawlessly.

We didn't service our Hyperpro for some 40 000km of African abuse, all the bike-side bushes were worn out and even connections/frame bent, couldn't believe they still worked after all the horror we had with Öhlins and Wilbers that we serviced more frequently, while all the bushes were OK, everything straight and the road conditions were much nicer for them.

Cost wise we could buy a full Hypepro "3D" shock with separate reservoir cheaper compared to Öhlins simpler emulsion (singly body) shock. Only Wilbers was in the similar price range, but horrible reliability, not even worth looking for more serious overland travellers, unless they've dramatically improved their shock design in recent years.

For longer distances without frequent service I'd say aim for remote/separate-reservoir (or "piggyback") shocks for better cooling (overheated emulsion-shock was a problem for us!) and arguably better reliability - they have gas and oil separated through a rubber collapsing bladder inside the reservoir that understands no friction, it's probably more easy for the main seals too.

It's all IMHO of course and from our personal experiences and lessons learned on our RTW. Everybody should make their own conclusions and choices since travelling is an individual experience.

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I will back up what Margus has said 100%

I also use the Hyperpro stuff for the last 110,000 km and have not had any issues with them. I dont go as heavily loaded as Margus but I push the bike to extremes in other ways. The Hyperpros are touch heavier than the Ohlins, but 100 times more durable. Thicker materials all round - thicker piston rods, stronger shock bodies, the same top class competition level damping.

Having used WP PDS shocks as well, again I prefer the Hyperpro.

Cant comment on Wilbers, having never used them.
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