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Georgia route planning: Through Russia or Turkey?
I plan to drive from Berlin to Georgia. I would like to spend as much time as possible in the Caucasus, so I'd like to make the drive down to Georgia as short as possible.

I’m wondering which one is the better route from Central Europe to Georgia: North of the Black Sea through Ukraine/Russia or south of the Black Sea, through Turkey?

Considering that it is apparently still impossible to go through Crimea or the Donezk region in Ukraine (correct me if I’m wrong), I would need to take a huge deviation north through Charkiw. Still, even with this detour, it would be slightly shorter from here vs going through Turkey (~3400km vs 3600km).

But looking at Google Maps, >1000km of the route through Ukraine/Russia would be on small single lane roads, while going through Turkey, it would be motorways or at least double lane roads all the way to the Georgian border.

So I gather it would be quicker and less stressful going through Turkey?

Am I missing something? How difficult are the borders (Bulgaria/Turkey, Turkey/Georgia, Ukraine/Russia, Russia/Georgia)?
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If it were me, I'd choose the Turkey route. You'll have more varied options in landscapes and routes. It's a personal preference thing of course, but I find the northern and north-eastern parts of Ukraine less interesting.

That part of Russia has some interesting sections, but not really much terribly exciting (again: imho).
Turkey has some really interesting landscapes and you can do sections along the coast and mix it up with sections through more mountainous areas.



border crossing between Bulgaria and Turkey is usually pretty uneventful if you pick a smaller one. At the larger crossings it can get very busy, meaning long waiting times, especially in holiday periods.
Turkey to Georgia is easy at turkgozu (to Akhaltsikhe). The Sarpi border (to Batumi) isn't a big deal either, but you'll have to navigate a lot of waiting trucks.

Between Russia/Georgia there's only one option. I've only crossed there in the other direction (Georgia to Russia) and there are looooong queues there. But they wave motorbikes to the front.
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This might be a solution: https://visit.varna.bg/en/transport/preview/60.html


I'm thinking of such a trip too. Haven't any precise plans yet.....
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Yeah, I'm planning on taking the ferry from Batumi to Odessa on the way back. On the other way though, I think I'll drive over land.
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You have an option to take a ferry either from Odessa, Ukraine or Varna, Bulgaria.

Turkey has some nice riding and Northern Caucasus as well
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If you go via Russia you'll need a Russian visa, which takes time and money to get. Although Turkey is a visa country as well the visa is very quick and cheap. The other thing is passing through places like Dagestan and Chechnya you may find them friendly, or you may not.
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Yeah, I'm planning on taking the ferry from Batumi to Odessa on the way back. On the other way though, I think I'll drive over land.
Hello, you need at least 5 days no matter whether overland or by ferry. With the ferry you have the advantage that you arrive well-rested. The route over Turkey is very nice. But there are also many border crossings in the Balkans Leipzig started, drove through Ukraine to Odessa, then by ferry, arrived in Poti on Saturday morning. Greetings from Leipzig
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With the ferry you have the advantage that you arrive well-rested.
Yes, I'm planning to do that on the way back. On the way down; I think I'll drive as a bit of an adventure. ;-)
Did you book the ferry in advance or did you get tickets at the port?

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I took the ferry from Batumi to Illichivsk (Nr Odessa) in 2013 there's an office where you can book in Batumi. I had to pay US$ cash for the voyage and the ship stopped for two days off Russia to refuel (they forgot to mention this!). The ship is a roll on roll off and takes mainly lorries and railroad cars, allow time (hours for me) for all the bureaucracy at the Ukraine end and don't give in to the requested bribes.
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Yes, I'm planning to do that on the way back. On the way down; I think I'll drive as a bit of an adventure. ;-)
Did you book the ferry in advance or did you get tickets at the port?

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Hello to Berlin, I bought the tickets in the port of Chernomorsk, they are only available there and not in the city at UKferry !!!! In the largest and most striking building far and wide. Price was $ 180 including meals. The whole procedure in the harbor is quite lengthy and annoying. The crossing is fun with all the truckers. You should be drinking safe! The meals post-Soviet. If you hand the Stewart $ 20 in hand you get a single cabin.
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Great info. How do you get along language-wise? I presume English or German-speaking people are pretty scarce around there....
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Great info. How do you get along language-wise? I presume English or German-speaking people are pretty scarce around there....
From my experience in Georgia almost all 45+ people will speak Russian and young working in tourist industry will speak some English and Russian. In Azerbaijan the percentage is much lower so Google translate is your friend.

BTW Azerbi and Turkish are mutually intelligible so you can use offline Turkish translate in the pinch.

In Ukraine/Russia everyone will speak Russian this goes without saying.
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In the largest and most striking building far and wide. Price was $ 180 including meals.
Wow, that's cheap! Did you travel by motorbike? The Ukrferry page states a price of >500 Euros, for me and my car...

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You should be drinking safe! The meals post-Soviet. If you hand the Stewart $ 20 in hand you get a single cabin.
Sounds like fun!
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Looks like Greece is closing border.. not sure what implications are and duration.
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Ja, das wird eine schwierige Reisesaison.Letztes Jahr war die Einreise in den Iran nicht möglich,dieses Jahr kann man nicht planen. Alles ist möglich.
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