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ahhhhhhh..........
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Not suited for touring, but here it is:
Michelin Off-Road Motorcycle Tyre Accessories

ahhhhhh, all is clear now, you meant Mousse, as opposed to Moose!
and you did in fact type 'moose', so no wonder google had difficulty and I was left wondering the heck a large north American Herbivore had to do with Motorcycling, apart from the fact they stray onto roads at night and play chicken with bikers.......................

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You can fit tubes in tubeless tyres in an emergency but I think the tyre manufacturers state that the heat characteristics are different and a tube in a tubeless tyre will overheat which increases tyre pressure which in turn reduces the tyre footprint on the road which then effects the grip.
Get some moose inserts for your spoked wheels like the Dakar boys.
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??...i run tubes in my tubeless rims, and i run tube-type tires tubeless. Being tubeless is all about the rim, not the tire. I've never had a tube tire fail or un-seal running tubeless, and i've never had a problem running tubes in tubeless or tube type tires on my tubeless rims...wow, say that 10 times!
Tubeless is the best, but always carry a spare tube! Just in case you cut the tire and a patch or plug won't hold.
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Being tubeless is all about the rim, not the tire.
Hmm, the tire-fabricators don’ agree on that one. Check this (“click size and pattern info”):
Continental Tyres UK

TT=TubeType
TL=TubeLess
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Okay, fair enough. Most of us sleep better when we follow the rules Ironicly, the only tubeless tire that failed on me running on a tubeless rim was the TKC-80. Two front blowouts in one day, both at 120kmh! I then stuffed in a tube, picked up a nail an hour later and had my third...go figure! I run tube-type scorpions, tourances and Saharah 3's tubeless on tubeless BMW (Behr??) and Buchannon Sun rims, wore them all out without a problem. The Tourance received plugs, the rest got lucky. This is on a fully loaded R100GS. Works for me, but to each their own.
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Try THESE, never get another puncture!


all I can say is. mmmmmmmmm Donuts! me want some!

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Much safer, IMO, especially on highway riding.
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Well, i must say the idea of running a flat tube in a tubeless rim is quite brilliant! Wish i'd known that before and will be preforming mods on my 1200GS shortly.
I had the front wheel on my old GS built and sealed by Woody. The seal is just silicone wrapped in packing tape. After i blew a tubed tire (My third in a day, see above) it destroyed the sealant. Now i just run the front tubed until i try to seal the wheel another time.
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tyre balls/ tire balls
Hey patrick, any idea of the email addy of the guys that do those balls?

I for one am willing to say they r for offroad use, then test em on road, off road etc. seeing as 70% of my riding here in Southern Spain IS offroad I aint exactly lyin..

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Doesn't the R12GS have the Behr perimeter spoke tubeless wheels on it?
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Correction!!!!
I've screwed this up....
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I've screwed this up....obviously this won't work!! Because air will escape out around tube valve stem meaning you can't run tubeless. Whoops!!! Sorry guys. But I know someone has figured a way to do this double system thing....but how? Can't recall. Perhaps sealing the hole for the tube somehow? Dunno.... But in any case, you can run tubeless, using just the ONE hole for the tubeless valve stem (rheem out original hole slightly).



Ah, no it doesn't!!
...Yikes! Another good point LOL! I'm sure i would of picked up on it before i drill holes in my expensive Behr rims, but the idea does have its merrits.
On my old GS i built a custom WP front end Ala KTM, including the wheel and brakes. Woody build me a front wheel with oversize spokes, RAD Eagle billet hub and Sun rim from Buchannon (sp) Rock solid and almost indestructible! The sun rim is built with the safety bead for tubeless, and was sealed as mentioned above, but the silicone failed. Woody would surely make good on it, but the bikes in Ecuador now. As far as sealants go, i would try a marine adhesive called Sikoflex...it's the shit!!
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Well, I think after all of this it must be clear as mud for Crazylegs. I spelled the moose bit wrong but thinking about it you could always use moose shit to fill the tyre, it can't be much worse than everything else that has been suggested.
I would go with what your bike is designed for, if it's got tubes you can get heavey duty ones and carry some slime tyre sealant as an emergency.
I had slime in my mountain bike tubes and only needed to pull the nail or thorn out and re-inflate the tyre, I put tyre sealent in the rear tyre of my magna 750 tubeless tyre after pulling a nail and it lasted with normal pressure checks for two weeks and only then because I fitted a new tyre because it was worn anyway.
Just remember that anything you do in an emergency is only for the time you take to get to where you can make the correct repair.
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Molly, the key to a tubeless rim is in the design. They have a "Safety bead", which is why they are such a bitch to break loose. The Sun rims have this safety bead, but rims like DID and Excell don't. Not sure if it's a good idea to run these types of rims tubeless?? Let us know, huh?
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You are right, that is why I bought a bike with tubeless tyres. Taking a tyre off in the desert is no fun and I have had to do that on a CR250.
Necessity is the mother of invention but as I said, emergency repairs are only to last you to the first chance of a real repair.
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