What you thinks, which is the best from this models? What you think about toyota motor`s 2,4TD, 3,4 or 4,2ccm? Who is good for (fuel) economy and what is consumption fuel each? What is consumption for 3.0i V6 in forrunner?
What is better for Africa, long or short body? Thanks

All Land Cruisers are good for Africa, it really depends on your specific requirements and the cost of the vehicles locallly.

In the UK, the LC of choice is the 80 series, mainly because it is excellent value for money and they are so common, however where you are they may be too expensive.

How many of you are going to be travelling in the vehicle?

Where in Africa do you plan on going? And what sort of driving do you intend to do?

Personally I would go for an 80, 100 or 78/79 Troopie because they are bigger so you can carry more with less effort.

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Also there is the 120 series,
3.0 Liter Turbo diesel
D4-d
The most fuel efficient diesel engine in a land Cruiser.
Perhaps not quite as big as an old 80 series, but still a good size.

If you're going for a newer vehicle, it's got to be a 105 series or a 78 series troopie. Big, lazy 4.2 litre, no electronics, no turbo, beam axles, simple to fix (if it needs it) and known by mechanics all over Africa. As used by UN, NGOs etc.

Jojo

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troopies are tough, well proven and as reliable as an axe. You can get or make great camper conversions and often come as standard with, twin tanks and snorkels. Like he others said it depends what you want. Here in Australia there are lots of Toyota's so it would make sense.

+1 on the troopie...the 70 series...the one downside to the troopie(not that I care) is the air conditioner is better on the 80 series...

They are bullet proof...proverbially

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This is only because the a/c is trying to cool a large volume with a lot of glass... Blacking out or covering the windows helps immensely, as does a drop down curtain effectively dividing the vehicle. Of course this is no good if you are carrying people in the back, but then for overland type distances the troopy is not ideally comfortable for rear passengers (especially the 13 seat version, the "RV" type with a second forward facing bench would be slightly better). While the troopy is arguably one of the best expedition vehicles out there, it is important to stress that they (like any vehicle) are not perfect:
- very poor for more than two people, but then you really buy one either to haul people or to kit it out as you would a hard top Defender.
- utilitarian construction/comfort and trim (not an issue for me, but I know some people who really need electric mirrors!)
- Small high pinion front diff and r151 g/box that was fitted when the 75 became the 78/79. These can and do fail.
- Like it's relative the 105 series, it is in bad need of a bit more power.
- World's most awful factory fitted stereo...
- Like almost all vehicles the std suspension can in no way properly deal with loads even quite far from approaching the GVM.
- Narrow track (easily sorted with either different wheels and tyres or spacers)
- The 75 pickup is really a pretty cramped cabin - if you are a big tall person it can be quite a problem...

Of course the plus points are a lot more than that list.

Re the 2.4td, well it doesn't really have a good reputation for reliability (unlike most Toyota diesels) and tends to crack heads. Aftermarket temperature gauge and exhaust gas temp gauge would be very useful. Consumption for the 4.2 n/a engine will vary depending on terrain, load and vehicle - a very conservatively driven 105 will see 11L/100kms (I would imagine a 80 series with 1HD-T would be fairly similar), but a 79 series pickup loaded to the max and driven by a lunatic can fall as low as 25L/100kms on bad terrain.

As J pointed out at the beginning, so much would depend on where you are buying. The UK is a good place as it seems their worth is less than in Europe. HZJs of all description tend to command very high prices in Europe. A British HDJ80 can look quite a bargain compared to a German HZJ74 Mid size for €25,000..........

Gil

Jupiiiii, I bue my machins off dream for Africa, Land cruiser 73 (middle long boddy). I looking for longer 75 but in Serbia is very little that machines. My have 2.4TD motor, I hope will be ok with head. Car is in excellent condition, it`s model without loaf (he have coil spring rear and front). Thans a lot for advice and I hope we to meet somewhere on .
PS:I must by (I dont no word on english, uhh)...from air filter long things. It go outside from hauba and finish up door. It`s like top gun .What I need more for Afrika trip? I plan to go in Tanzanija and ...who knows than? I have expiriance with desert (in maj last year I driving yamaha xt 600 tenere in syrian desert). I have reservoar 90l, maybe to make bigger? And I must make something for roof (it`s plastic)! Rack, but I havent idea where to keep him.

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I have an 80 series TLC, 4.2 td with an auto box. Great vehicle and I'm not going to go on about why I think so... Suffice to say that it's comfortable, powerful and reliable with plenty of load space. The auto box is also great.

One down side to the 80 series is weight. The car is very heavy before you begin to load it but it's also very solid. There's no need to roll cages inside unless you're on the rallye of course. But the weight can be an issue in sand and mud.

One word on aircon. My advice would be to use it sparingly if you can. Being cooped up in an air conditioned environment is a sure route to dehydration. Think of long haul flights... By the way, so is orange juice and coffee but that's another story.

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Sciii,
some details about a roofrack on a FRP Medium Wheel base here:
HZJ73 roof Rack - IH8MUD Forums You will have to go either through the roof or bolt to the body...

Nothing comes close for use-ability, fuel economy and reliability.
2 WD (rear) 4WD high and low gears, diff lock, 80 ltr tank std, steel rims and sooooooooo much more!
Fantastic machine
Used and abused, overloaded, not serviced, crashed, (not by me I hasten to add!!) even by Jeremy Clarkson and by hundreds of thousands of 'freedom fighters' worldwide
Can't beat that recommendation IMHO !

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