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Thank you Warden
I was curious as to where this was.
I appreciate your input 
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Garmin Nuvi and Topo North Africa V4
Hi and sorry in advance for possibly ignorant question, but in the v useful Morocco Overland it seems to suggest that Garmin North Africa Topo Light will load onto a Garmin Nuvi sat nav.
Which sounds good and I bought one (a Nuvi 2595 sat nav) and installed Garmin Express and Basecamp and purchased V4 of the North Africa Topo map. But it didn’t show up in my Garmin Express (even after repeated sign ins) and when I spoke to Garmin they said that was just because it wasn’t compatible, so it wouldn't.
Before I give up or send myself mad with trying different things of my own limited invention, have I just misunderstood or am I missing something or part of the process?
Any suggestions or thoughts welcome, even if just setting me straight.
And if I can’t get it to work are there optimum specific devices to buy to load it on, leaving this sat nav to just run City Navigator Middle East and Northern Africa NT say, which is stated as compatible.
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Hi and sorry in advance for possibly ignorant question, but in the v useful Morocco Overland it seems to suggest that Garmin North Africa Topo Light will load onto a Garmin Nuvi sat nav.
Which sounds good and I bought one (a Nuvi 2595 sat nav) and installed Garmin Express and Basecamp and purchased V4 of the North Africa Topo map. But it didn’t show up in my Garmin Express (even after repeated sign ins) and when I spoke to Garmin they said that was just because it wasn’t compatible, so it wouldn't.
Before I give up or send myself mad with trying different things of my own limited invention, have I just misunderstood or am I missing something or part of the process?
Any suggestions or thoughts welcome, even if just setting me straight.
And if I can’t get it to work are there optimum specific devices to buy to load it on, leaving this sat nav to just run City Navigator Middle East and Northern Africa NT say, which is stated as compatible.
Thanks
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Not sure about that specific one. I bought it to put on a Zumo 550 (circa 2009) and it wouldn't work, so they took it back.
I now have the Zumo XT, and think it should work. Sadly I didn't take a copy of the DVD !
Basically I think it's a security unlock thing which works only with newer units.
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Actually, I am careful to specify the limitations of inexpensive satnavs vs what I call proper GPS units. (see graphic below).
And here:
https://buy.garmin.com/en-GB/GB/p/70...513-02#devices
it does not list any Nuvi satnav as compatible with that Topo map.
Sorry to say no Nuvi (or smartphone, I suspect) will run Garmin Topo maps, even though old Nuvis could be tricked into running old Olaf and possibly OSM.
It used to drive me nuts too until I finally bought a rugged Montana: the optimum device you ask about.
Last time I looked, a Zumo is merely a Nuvi in a waterproof case pitched at motos and with and a huge mark up. I've always avoided them.
Montana is what you want: heavy and expensive, but can route like a Nuvi, and work like a proper GPS out in the hills, with all the mapping you can stuff in it.
https://sahara-overland.com/morocco-maps/
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The optimum device has moved on so I'd encourage you to look at the Montana 700, an excellent device, the most current one and one which does a great deal more than just routing.
I've opted for the 700 model as it offers TriBand and a host of other useful option for example expedition mode to name but one but does not have the Inreach SOS function (that my 66i does). The 700i and 750i only use 2 bands.
They come with Topo Europe pre-loaded and free to update.
If you need help with either of those, get in touch
700 specs here
700i specs here
and 750i specs here if you'd like a camera too
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Thanks Ian, Chris and Toyark
Much appreciated all and that sets me straight. Now instead of going around the bend, I've options to sort it our via the treat of a new device
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Stumbled across this very good, free Morocco (or any other country) map for your GPS, while looking for OSM.
It uses OSM data afaict, but has much superior clarity imo (conventional relief shading), and a simple, single 500mb country file to download, no emailing anyone with your tiles or queuing for days.
https://garmin.opentopomap.org/#morocco
Miles better and more up-to-date than my v3 Garmin Topo (current is v4), but haven't worked out how to trick Mac Basecamp into showing it, even with Montana attached.
I can live with that while there's Apple of Google sat for planning.
I see QMapShack nav app bandied about – may give that a go.
https://github.com/Maproom/qmapshack
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, but haven't worked out how to trick Mac Basecamp into showing it,
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I regret I cannot help you with your Mac as I know zip about apples- but you might find something which may help you below.
For those using windows, this is a straight forward method which may help someone. - Download the contours and map images
- Make sure you 'unblock them (as they came from another PC)
- Combine both images
You'll be creating a single map image which you can either place in the Garmin folder in the satnav OR on a micro sd card - If plugged into a PC, run Basecamp and it will see the new combined map.
You can also, after combining the road and topo maps, install these in BC.
If you don't want them combined, you can place both maps in a Garmin folder.
Some sat navs will be able to display both if enabled together- note: you may encounter routing problems if they are.
BC will see each map but only display one at a time.
It all depends what result you would like to have.
You'll also need to overcome the map character issue which creates a bunch of ??????? in BC.
Image below is of the combined maps .
Something for your travel book scotty?
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Morocco OSM map for Mac BaseCamp
Just got tipped off about another Morocco (or anywhere) OSM map.
May well be the same thing as above but this one opens fine with Mac BaseCamp via MapManager.
Simple 1.4gb download link bottom of this page to unzip;
Africa North OSM Topo Routable | GMapTool
It does show high points with those annoying black triangles which one way or another OSM has done for years. Toning down the BC 'Detail' doesn't always get rid of them.
The garmin.opentopomap above appears better in this respect: shaded relief – but other Mac BC-ers have told me it failed to show up in BC.
The other day I did try the regular NL OSM link which once worked fine.
"This request is #85539 in the queue. The delay is approximately 356.4 days."
Let's call it a year.
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but other Mac BC-ers have told me it failed to show up in BC.
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This is a common problem with BC- whose software is sadly way behind the times but it's what we have,
The solution is to edit the map header and code it so that BC can 'see' the map - whether the map is stored on a micro sd plugged into a PC (and here I assume a Mac as I do not have one to verify this) or in a Garmin unit also plugged in.
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A Mac mate just told me he managed to view the garmin.open.topo.org map by using this app (with Montana attached so still a faff):
https://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html
But as you can see top of the page: 'no longer supported' and later
'Not compatible with post-Catalina Mac OS'
He must be running a pre-Catalina (10.15) OS, after which a lot of older 32-bit apps fell by the wayside.
(I say '32-bit' like I know WTF I'm talking about ;-)
App did not open on my Catalina Mac.
Shame. As you can see below, garmin.open.topo.org has the best look and Africa North OSM Topo Routable | GMapTool doesn't, beaten only by Garmin pre-installed Global blank slate (off my old Montana).
Reminds me how good Olaf was, back in the day.
Anyone got a screenshot of the same area (Nekob just off bottom right) with the current Garmin £20 v4? I presume some track updates but I wonder if the look is different/better.
Morocco maps (all types) updated once in a while here.
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Just got tipped off about another Morocco (or anywhere) OSM map.
Africa North OSM Topo Routable | GMapTool
The garmin.opentopomap above appears better in this respect: shaded relief – but other Mac BC-ers have told me it failed to show up in BC. |
I've been using the Africa North OSM Topo for a few years now, (I'm sure I mentioned it previously) and its my preferred mapset to have active on the Montana.
I tried the garmin.opentopo maps on my recent Europe trip in basecamp and mapsource but don't really get on with them for route planning, haven't tried them on the montana yet.
I much prefer the NL OSM maps for route planning, with slightly less detail on screen as it makes longer routes easier to see.
I've recently found these maps available, very nicely done maps but unfortunately no Morocco https://www.freizeitkarte-osm.de/garmin/en/index.html
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Now I merged a few maps threads I see you did, ages ago.
So you don't find the 'masses of peak icons' an issue?
Maybe a Mac anomaly.
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So you don't find the 'masses of peak icons' an issue?
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Can't say I do but that's just me
It seems a bit of my text has disappeared, so I'll try again- odd...
Chris it would help if you could actually list in detail each of the problems you are having to enable folks to try and help you with some solutions as I have done in post #25 and #27
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