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If you did work for MI6/CIA/FSB, you think you'd have software that compares commercial maps, google earth etc. The places where there are differences are the ones where you'd send your satelittes to take a look. I suspect everyone knows this but the local uniformed bully boys like their old excuses.

What annoys me is that electronic maps are so useless compared to paper ones. Garmin instruction "turn left onto Great North Road". This hasn't been a sensible instruction since about 1952, but anyone who can buy an AA/RAC/Michelin map and read the signs know it should be "take the fifth exit off the roundabout onto the A-1 north" :confused1:

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but anyone who can buy an AA/RAC/Michelin map and read the signs know it should be "take the fifth exit off the roundabout onto the A-1 north"
What I hate is the Sat Nav saying "take the xth exit". I would prefer a more directional instruction, something more like "straight on..." or "turn right..." - "...at roundabout". Then you dont have to take eyes off the road to look at the screen, or spend time on the roundabout assessing possible exits and counting them, and you can get in the most appropriate lane or position well in advance.

Getting off topic, I know. Apologies for a gripe.
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All exits from roundabouts in the UK are to the left, you need to know which left. At least I hope you'd be turning left, I once met a Polish truck who preferred right turns off roundabouts

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Sorry - not making myself clear.

To me "Turn left at roundabout" means the overall change in direction desired at the whole junction - not the actual route round a roundabout.

Thus the actual roundabout is to be navigated in the correct direction for the country, be it clockwise or anticlockwise, but ultimately I am turning left from my original previous direction.
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what if theres two lefts, and the most obvious one isnt the road your following?
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what if theres two lefts, and the most obvious one isnt the road your following?
Or 3 even! LOL
Then you must go round, looking at every side exit assessing and counting, while still riding/driving an unknown roundabout and unknown priorities and unknown traffic patterns. But you know the general target direction, which 90% of the times will be sufficient, so as not to distract your attention.

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Then you dont have to take eyes off the road to look at the screen,
What's wrong with looking at the screen? That's what it's there for.

As I navigate without the voice promts I'm glancing at the screen every 20 seconds or so anyway. So when I see a roundabout in the distance I check which way my route goes and then I'm ready for it. And, with the Zumo automatically zooming in, I get a nice close up of the roundabout on the screen.
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Ah, yes phantom roads on maps- And now google adds phantom place names e.g. at Belize and Honduras border crossings to confound the traveller not alert enough to read the actual town name plaques as they ride in.
On Roji and Quimera maps for years you could see a road connecting east from Acapulco to link back up with Mex 200- never mind that there was a bridge missing rendering that route a no-go until last year.
Even in the USA there are maps which show roads doing things you can not follow on the ground or they miss mentioning a big loop around a military or nuclear power installation- for strategic and security reasons? - never mind that everybody can see those features any day.
All the more reason to use several maps and "average" their information.
As for electronic navigation guides- for the muddle minded who had best stay home.
Too lazy to learn to distinguish north,east south and west they appear to send folks on a left-right cruise.
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