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Hello Matt ,,
I hear you ,, My gripe with Garmin is well documented here,, at same time ,, angst ridden tight wad I am,, I also carry a Garmin ,,

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...in-gps-62780-2

My personal issue with Garmin is their marketing of the units, in Korea. On purpose ,, they delete Korean keyboards from all Garmins sold overseas ,, therefor,, they charge ,, USD 1,400 for your Zumo here ,,
Another issue is when it breaks,, they must be sent to Taiwan ,, their H/O ,, repair cost plus USD 90 for the DHL .
Lastly,, you your self have said , that their software sucks. Maps expensive.
I have been using Garmin here in Korea ,, through hills and mountains ,, my Garmin battery goes dead in 20 minutes ,, Always recalculating the routes,, recalculating,, My Galaxy s2 with GPS and 3G on ,,,always on target,, battery lasts 8 hours ,, and I have the music ,, some 3,000 songs. This is both unplugged of course.
I pay USD 48 a month for UNLIMITED 3G data here, in Korea ,, and when I travel the world,, USD 10 a day again UNLIMITED.

I use Ram box mount usually I have my Android around my neck in my bosom
See the picks here ,,
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...in-gps-62780-2

Locus ,, will update your map ,, every other day ,, their Vector maps (Basically an OSM map , ,I am sure you are suing it too in your Garmin) ,, I think two months ,,
Some one sad ,, brilliantly ,, we are using this for RTW ,, not to run down the grocery store. Straight line he said.

Again ,, I hear you ,, get a cheap Garmin ,, stick it on your handle bar ,,, smart phone for all encompassing ,,, multifunction ,,,, in your underwear,,I also carry a small notebook,, only because I have to do online banking and download pictures.

Bottom line ,, Smart phones offer far more choices ,, at free cost of the software ,, free internet via wi-fi ,, free messaging,,, learning Russian on it now ,, got instant voice translator of some dozen languages "Talk to Me",, currency converter ,, skype for free phone calls ,, Viber also works ,, love the Kakao Talk for chatting and sending large files ,, camera that matches normal digital camera ,, even got it's own mini tripod,, several EM programs,,,can watch CNN ,, BBC,,,, Listen to the TED speeches "TED air" ,,,keep track of the finances ,, "Global Stock Market" ,, world weather ,, time ,, not just a lip service like Garmin.
I can back up all the files ,, I pay USD 1.8 per month for the insurance,, for two year coverage in case of theft,, breakage ,, or loss,, I get a new one.

Now ,, for some one at a cross road of buying new ,, Garmin or Smart Phone ,,
Go for the Android ,, I say ,, like you said ,, for 150 quid ,, with a two year plan and insurance.

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Hey Joe,

I'm not sure you've actually hit the nail on the head here - you appear to have ignored everything people have said about dedicated units, I'm beginning to suspect you'd made your mind up before starting this thread..... in fact a quick look back through your posts indicates a certain, um, dislike, of Garmin...

I've had a really good play with the apps and maps you have suggested. Many of them are very good, despite quite a lot of the data being from dubious sources that are quite out of date.

I've played with the apps on my Android phones (all HTC I'm afraid so wasn't able to test on the Samsung jobs) and they certainly work well. The software is complex and difficult to understand - but then again - so is the Garmin set.

A quick experiment with the phones on my bike though demonstrates several things.

1 - If I don't do something to protect my phone it's not going to last long
2 - It takes too long to set up and the data bill will bankrupt me outside the UK
3 - At speed (25mph plus) it doesn't track well
4 - The battery went from a normal use-time of 4 hours to 30 mins using the GPS all the time....

In my mind that makes the smartphone unsuitable for the job unless:

1 - You go buy and custom fit a waterproof, shockproof holder for your phone
2 - You permanently wire in your phone (which damages the phones battery)
3 - You don't stress about turn by turn directions in an unfamiliar city

As ever - YMMV - but I will certainly not be dumping my Garmin Zumo for a smartphone any time soon - not even for my trusty iPhone with Tom Tom software.

Maps first, Garmin second, phone for emergencies - seems sensible to me!

There is one argument that does stand up... cost. The Garmin Zumo is currently retailing at $649 / £400 (https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=15000&ra=true) but you can get a decent Android handset free with a contract or for about £100/£150 without. A good waterproof / shockproof case is about £50 (cheaper are available but not as good) and the cost of wiring the phone in / buying a spare battery is minimal.

So for me it boils down to one of the oldest arguments in the trademans handbook.... buy a cheap tool that just about does the job or buy the proper tool that does the job very well.
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