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Let's try and define this app.

I'm pretty happy with what I've been using thus far. But I'm now using it less on the bike, and more in the backcountry. Will be using the phone as a backcountry ski touring nav device in the Canadian Rockies and Columbia Mountains this winter. See how that'll go. The guide/ instructor at the Avi course said they can't handle the cold. But that's circumstantial as well.
I'm 99% sure that you mean to define Backcountry navigator, but which app will you use for vehicle navigation if the former is becoming dedicated to navigation on foot/skis and the like?
There again, with the weather as it is in the north of America you probably don't need anything other than skis at present!

Currently, I continue an interest in "where the maps come from in the first place".
I expected this to be fairly straight forward but it isn't; there are regional considerations (basically why produce and market maps for a small, non-populated area when there are big places to hand) for instance. And then there is the business aspect, whereby just because there is an app out there doesn't mean that they own and supply the actual map data - this relates to the growing popularity of the open source OSM, but it applies to others also.
Within the business "model" there is the market for automobile Sat Nav which is massive compared with some others such as motorcycles, although I could envisage a day when all new bikes come fitted with a built in Sat Nav system just as has occurred with cars.
Here is but one example of the way things are, but it is by no means up to date or complete as the discussion page associated with it shows.
Comparison of web map services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talk:Comparison of web map services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And, that table hardly starts to consider the application of digital mapping to mobile devices with a built in bias therein toward OSMAnd at present (maybe the mobile contribution was made by someone associated with OSMAnd, who knows?!!)
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Here is but one example of the way things are, but it is by no means up to date or complete as the discussion page associated with it shows.
Comparison of web map services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The link above got me looking in a bit more detail at the sources of maps used by those mapping services listed in the link; those sources are listed as --
Map Data Providers MAPIT, TeleAtlas, DigitalGlobe, MDA Federal, user contributions NAVTEQ, TeleAtlas, i-cubed, Public domain NAVTEQ, Intermap, Pictometry International, NASA Navteq, OpenStreetMap user contributions User Contributions Navteq TomTom, and others

That led me to this business https://www.whereismaps.com/device/p...on-device.html who appear to be the "others" alongside Tom Tom for the Antipodes (one of them anyway).
Just goes to show how the acquisition of data for mapping is still regionalised although I suspect that there will be considerable ongoing rationalisation (in business terms) of such companies as businesses attempt to dominate in this market.
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I'm 99% sure that you mean to define Backcountry navigator, but which app will you use for vehicle navigation if the former is becoming dedicated to navigation on foot/skis and the like?
There again, with the weather as it is in the north of America you probably don't need anything other than skis at present!
Actually, Calgary didn't get a whole lot of snow, but the heavens seem to be opening this week.

I guess I'm coming from it from a different angle. Luckily the platform allows for the large differences in use which is why I'm loving it so much. I don't see the need for something to tell me I need to make a right turn at a T junction. If I'm not sure in the direction I'm heading, which is usually in the middle of the day with the sun dead above you, Backcountry Navigator will be enough. When I get to cities there are plenty of apps that could be used with openstreetmap.

I kind of draw a line in category between the 2. 1 being a topo mapping tool, the other a city mapping tool. The use for it (car, cycle, bike, ski's or walking) is irrelevant. So long at it allows off-line, the zoom is smooth and uncluttered and the positioning is accurate (hence the interest in BN) I'm happy a Larry.
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I guess I'm coming from it from a different angle. Luckily the platform allows for the large differences in use which is why I'm loving it so much
I guess you will stick with backcountry navigator (BN) in that case no matter what means of transport/movement is in use.
I surmise that you have found your own "killer app" whereas I am still experimenting with a few - however I haven't yet tried out BN.

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I don't see the need for something to tell me I need to make a right turn at a T junction. If I'm not sure in the direction I'm heading, which is usually in the middle of the day with the sun dead above you, Backcountry Navigator will be enough. When I get to cities there are plenty of apps that could be used with openstreetmap.

I kind of draw a line in category between the 2. 1 being a topo mapping tool, the other a city mapping tool. The use for it (car, cycle, bike, ski's or walking) is irrelevant. So long at it allows off-line, the zoom is smooth and uncluttered and the positioning is accurate (hence the interest in BN) I'm happy a Larry.
We are broadly thinking the same way: I use turn-by-turn navigation when it is helpful such as close into a final destination in a large, unknown-to-me conurbation. The rest of the time I am also a "happy as Larry" free-runner.


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Actually, Calgary didn't get a whole lot of snow, but the heavens seem to be opening this week.
Nice! Better than the rain.
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