Coming up from the East, Kenya, Ethiopia, Sudan. Then after that I have no idea, kind of just winging it. My final destination is Spain to leave my bike and go back to work for a couple of months. So I don't really want to go toward the Middle East if I don't have to. So from Sudan to Spain, cheapest way possible I guess

If I were you I would ride or fly from Khartoum to Al Fashir [good road and safe, big town, stay there but be vigilant and wait to figure out your next step. People are very nice and will make you very welcome. Don't wander about after dark though, bottled water, hospital, petrol, airport available]. If you fly your bike will be with you in next or two days, custom clearance is cheap and easy.
From Al Fashir ride in convoy or ship bike on back of lorry to Al Junainah [Again Nice town and people and welcoming. very helpful at the customs and will definitely assist you on your next move, spend some time here to get to know things and detail your next move. {bottled water, hospital, petrol , airport available}.
From Al Junainah ride to Adre [good piste, you can spend the night at the Sudanese army post after Al Junainah and just before the Adre border post, very safe and soldiers will offer you a meal and you can use their toilets and get water from the well (don’t forget water tablets)].
To Abeche on a very pointy and rough road but your bike will definitely handle it better than my street bike (Fazer6). Don’t rush into getting into big towns if it gets dark just make sure you get to your next stop well before dark and if you can’t just stop at any village and you will be amazed by the hospitality and generosity of people. Abeche is good size town with lots of services and you can use western union to receive money. {bottled water, hospital, petrol , airport available}
To Oum Hadjer (good paved road and good piste)and down to Mangalme (I think this was good piste but they were paving it back in 2014), (Now if the stretch to Atti is finished, then go to Ati and if not then go to ), Mongo, Bitkine, Bokoro, Massaquet and NDJamena. All these are mostly very good piste and fantastic paved roads all the way to Ndjamena.
From NDjamena to Bongor (potholes loads of them), to Moundou.
From Moundou in Tchad cross the border to Touboro in Cameroon.
From now on all fantastic paved roads just open two things: your eyes and the throttle and enjoy
From Touboro to Mbang, Ngaoundere, Meiganga, Garoua Mboulai, Bertoua, Abong Mbang and to Yaounde. (Yaounde is cool, get visas here) {bottled water, hospital, petrol ,Airport available}
From Yaounde go up to Bafossam, Bamenda, Mamfe (fill up with water and petrol now)
From Mamfe cross border into Nigeria {now this bit here is tricky, I crossed that in the dry season and the road was a horrible piste. I heard that the Chinese have paved it since then I just hope that this is true otherwise it will be a nightmare to cross in the wet months}
Now make your way down to Calabar, Owerri, Onitsha, Benin City and then Lagos. All paved and services available everywhere. (In Nigeria just stick to the Christian South and don’t go North).
From Lagos start early so you can skip (fast through) the horrible corrupt unpleasant Benin.
Now you are in Lome in Togo. Nice people and scenery. Services available everywhere and good hotels available.
From Togo go to Atakpame, Kara, Dapaong.
Now cross border into Burkina Faso, to Tenkodogo, Pouytenga, Ouagadougou, Ouahigouya.
Cross border to Mali to Bankas.
From Bankas go to Mopti (visit Dogon Land You won’t regret it), Segou, Bamako (Nice city, sleeping camel hotel is nice spend as much time there and explore the city.)
From Bamako head to Kolokani, Diema then to Gogui.
Fom Gougi cross the border in Mauritania (Fill up at wherever you find petrol) into Ayoun el Atrous.
From there go to Kiffa, Aleg, Nouakchott, and up to Nouadhibou.
Now cross border into Wonderful Morocco.
From Morocco it should be piece of cake and the transition into Europe should be easy and bribe & hassle free.
This was the route I took in 2013 but the opposite direction.
I did not stay at every town I rode through, only in big ones and wild camped some nights and stayed in villages when it was not possible to reach big towns before dark.
People in Africa are very welcoming and 99.99% of them are very kind and helpful.

Hey man, thanks a lot for the reply. A couple of questions though, how much would flying to Al Fashir from Khartoum cost with the bike? How do you get a permit to ride there also? I should have given a little more detail in my last post, My route is the West Coast from Morocco all the way down to South Africa, and then back up the East Coast. I'm not sure about crossing back to the West, I think going North from Niger into Algeria is probably suicide. I'd love to check out Chad if I get a chance, getting a visa is probably a nightmare though. I still have a few months though so no pressure just yet. (Though if I'm honest, just looking at the map seems like from Sudan it is nearly the same distance going north and across Europe as it is going back across to West Africa... albeit much nicer roads in Europe... toll roads -__-)

I honestly do not remember exactly how much it was but around these figures:
To fly you = 1100 SDG
To fly your bike = 500 SDG

There are fees you pay when entering without a carnet but things might have changed so check before travelling. To ride your bike there is free.

I like your Idea of going up the east coast probably through Saudi Arabia and I wanted to do that back then but Saudi has an issue with bikes. Syria and Iraq are hot-spots. Iran was expensive (and have to go through Saudi too). So there is another option if you really don't want to go back up the west coast again. I ended up flying my bike back to the UK and it wasn't bad at all. You can collect your bike in Turkey and ride through Europe, How about that for flying over all them troubled Middle Eastern Countries!!

Romnek,

Which countries did you travel to in Africa? Back then, did you use a carnet or maneged without it? Where was it really needed? Do you think is it possible to ride from south africa to egypt without one, just getting something local in each country? My plan is to do it starting in january 2017 and I can't get a cda in Brasil.

Thanks.

Juliano.

Do not even attempt to leave SOUTH Africa without a carnet my friend,
Thought I could take that chance one & half years ago when I left SA. On arriving at Namanga border it took around 5hrs and eventually $200 to get myself and my truck thru.
It has worked for me for quite some time now while traveling around East Africa but recently they have clamped down to the degree that now my hand has been forced and I have had to acquire one from SA,,, just for Kenya, believe it or not,
As for Egypt,,,,NO NO NO.
There is no such thing as TIP anymore, Temporary Import permits are not issued anymore in Kenya or Egypt.
They are definitely capable of sending you packing if you arrive without a carnet.... in Kenya anyway.
From what I understand, Egypt is worst.
If you email either of the fixers(cannot remember their names) at Egypt/Sudan border they will clarify the same.
For the record I have been traveling around East and North East Africa for ages now and hence my certainty of facts. Even on first name terms with border some officials.

As for routes out of Africa, there is Egypt-Israel with shipping uncertainties but also very, very expensive...if your a Saffa

Plz let me know if there is anything else you need to know.

Reg

That is crap to hear. But haven't people just been riding into Kenya without a carnet through the motorcycle gate? And does Egypt seriously not issue the $800 TIP at the border anymore?

I am halfway down the West Coast without a carnet on a French registered bike... maybe it is possible to get one issued in South Africa? or maybe just take a chance...

Hiya Wanted
I'm not saying that the $800 dollar so called deposit for TIP getting into Egypt will not work but
1) when you arrive without a carnet, it becomes a stressful, tedious process that could take hours, if allowed at all
2) you'll be very lucky, if it's given, to get that deposit back without given the runaround with no positive outcome.
Kenya on the on the other hand have clamped down and there is a possibility of 'stating your case' at the border and getting a one month TIP for $50 but as I said they are clampdown down and it is becoming a hassle.
I'm with some Dutch peeps in Kenya now who managed to get a month but they were told that they cannot return without a carnet.
So either be prepared to 'pay' something and spend some hours waiting or get that damn document.
Some other news I've Received from various travelers is that South Africa have also stopped 'foreigners' from buying vehicles in SA and
The carnet is only issued to local registered vehicles
Hope this helps you guys.

Is there any more recent news and experiences on this?

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This thread should be able to answer some of your questions:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...t-europe-82274

Our experience is only valid for transporting a vehicle on a RoRo vessel to Egypt but in that case you will not even get on board without a Carnet. It is a must from the shipping line (van Uden) and can't be discussed.
But if you come from Sudan it might be completely different. Only Allah knows.

Styrbjorn