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Dakar doc on telly
BBC4 tonight @ 9 and iPlayer after I imagine. Right after Toppers.

I think it's by the same people who did the Group B rallying doc which was pretty good.

BBC Four - Madness in the Desert: Paris to Dakar

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Cheers Chris, recording
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Seen and recorded.
Yes, those were the days, amateur, naive, and great!!

A clear message was not to ignore the politics of a region which just served to remind me of a discussion in this thread a short time ago http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...n-travel-49806

Those who choose to ignore such realities are destined to repeat earlier mistakes.

Dead is dead, whether it is the result of a vehicle accident or a bullet through a windscreen and I certainly did not agree with the implication in one part of this programme that the former is an acceptable risk but the latter is not - to the family of the deceased, dead is dead.
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Nice to see some of that old Dakar footage from Algeria, Libya and Niger especially from the core of the Sahara, like the short clips of the balise line in SE Algeria which runs to Chirfa in Niger. The Paris-Dakar press car from 1988 still lies on that route -route A15 in Sahara Overland (see below - using the roof of the rolled car as a table for some mapping at the end of the day). And one of those fancy twin engine turbo DAF trucks can be found on route A14.
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and the DAF racer on A14 in southern Algeria...
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Yep, we passed the remains of that DAF one time. I think that’s it on fire, below.

I happened to watch the dvd of the ’86 event last week (‘Running Wild’) having enjoyed the VHS when it originally came out.
If you like this pre 'factory team onslaught' era of desert rallying I can recommend the 86 vid: 959 Porches, a couple of boxy 60s and Pajeros, the new Honda NXR 'Transalp' V-twins, Gaston R nursing his 1040 BMW (see below) with a bunch of broken ribs all the way to the end, Hubert Auriol flying his Cag off a Tenere dune at what looks like 100mph, and racing trucks sunk 3 feet in the sands or charging on 3 wheels. Lashings of cigarette advertising too, and plenty of tragedy, not least Sabine’s crash. I only learned recently that J-M Baron (Honda) never came out of his coma till he died in 2010 - and even 'JCO' (Sonauto boss and 2nd in 85 on a 'Tenere') was killed in a car crash last month.

When the race left Paris on New Year's day 86 I was in In Guezzam on my Tenere - and they still managed to get to Dakar before me!

I notice they used our still of the Arbre Perdu where Sabine’s ashes got scattered. We passed by in 2003 on Desert Riders but sadly the reclining Andy B seems to have been airbrushed away.

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I'm not in the UK and I've this message on this video:

"Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?"



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I'm not in the UK and I've this message on this video:

"Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?"



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If you look around online you can find info of this nature:-
Software cheat lets people watch BBC iPlayer abroad: An update | Kevin Rawlinson | Independent Notebook Blogs
(some of the comments to that Indy article are quite informative also concerning a few alternatives to expat shield).

When I lived abroad some acquaintances of mine used "expat shield" to see the BBC iPlayer, but there did seem to be quite a few pop-ups with this free software.

The best way I have experienced was for a guy back at homebase to point his laptop screen toward his TV screen with the laptop logged onto skype video - bingo, everyone got to see the super bowl.
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It´s already in youtube. Just search with the name and voila
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So when is it returning to Africa? and what is keeping someone else from doing it?
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I'm not in the UK and I've this message on this video:

"Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. Why?"



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I don't know why I'm afraid but we used to have that problem when we lived in France.

But you have got youtube nowdays so worth trying to find it there.
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Which is the abandoned one again - the one in the front or the back? ;--))
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Which is the abandoned one again - the one in the front or the back? ;--))
Its been a long time since we had a full-on Landrover-Toyota debate on the STF.

The important point is that my vehicle made it there.....and home.
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Nice to see (on youtube). From the title here I thought it was a doctor giving some report - not a documentary

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So when is it returning to Africa? and what is keeping someone else from doing it?
The answer to that ... the problem of terrorism.
I'd think there will be little possibility of attracting the race back to Africa... unless they get into larger problems in South America. Even then there maybe other places/countries that will want to take it on.

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Chris - I think your video/photo was simply cropped, you can still see the jacket on the lower left side. Too much trouble to air brush when you can simply crop.

As for the death by either speed/terrain or bullet .. I can see his point, the later the competitor has little control over, the former .. well they should have the speed under control. The organizer should do the terrain?

Land-rover vs Toyota :confused1:.. add Mitsubishi, Nissan,

In sales terms it is Toyota.

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Local TV station often restrict their video replays to an area .. so that program can be sold (at a higher price) to other places. Thus you cannot 'see' things unless you do some trickery. They also place restrictions time wise too (at least for some programs) - usually one week here in OZ.
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The answer to that ... the problem of terrorism.
I'd think there will be little possibility of attracting the race back to Africa... unless they get into larger problems in South America. Even then there maybe other places/countries that will want to take it on.
Hell will freeze over before it goes back to Africa IMO.
Why leave south America where there is a large audience that has taken it to their hearts and they have a growing disposal income for the sponsors? Compare with Africa which is still awaiting an electricity supply for them to see the sponsors on their yet-to-be-bought TVs and it is a done deal, for now.
If it goes anywhere else it will be because of a F1 racing type of "deal".

ps BBC iplayer lasts for only a week - no wonder it goes onto Youtube/torrent
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