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Hi Marko,
>can i get a guide at the border (Bordj Mokhtar)
well, first you need a visa - do you allready have one? If yes, you will find a guide in Bordj Mokhtar, the police or Gendarmerie will help you.
If not, the usual procedure is to use the services of an travel agency. Minimum cost is about 500 EUR to cross Algeria.
The piste BBM - Tam is easy, even for a 2Wd

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hi there! Yves, no i havent got any of my visa,s yet. i not planning to leave til 7/09 but will be getting a few of the visa i need here in the U.S and the rest when i,m there.but ,i have been doing as much planning and research as possible now, no sense in waiting til the last minute i,ve been wanting to do this trip for a long time.what about insurance? would have to get that at the border for each country or is there an insurance that will work for more than one country?i have a feeling its not too different from when i go into mexico. where you purchase the 3rd party insurance at the border. when you hire a guide do you need to use a travel agent in algieria ? thanks for all the information , i really appreciate it marko
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3rd party insurance at the borders.

Kilometre for kilometre, NDB to Atar to Tidjikja, is probably as tricky as Tidjikja to Nema, If you can get that far then you'll know whether or not to continue or flee for the tarmac. There are guides with Toyotas available in Tidjikja and currently plenty of petrol.

No reliable petrol in Tichitt or Oualata, so you would need to carry it or pay for assistance. There are tracks nearly all the way to Nema, but they can blow over and are easy to lose. Off-piste things get interesting quickly. A lot of sand.

In 2WD it would be an endeavour. People have, but... How light is your VW? Every kilo hurts. Maybe leave the cage, doors etc. at home - or build a bare-boned rail instead ; ) Happy planning - would be nice to see a pic of a Bug at the Elephant rocks!
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thanks richard, the cage is welded in to the car so got to keep it and the weight of cage equals out with the stock parts that have been remored or changed to fiberglass now,but as far as weight i was planning on having a 50 gal petrol tank. i think thats about 200 liters plus 3/5gal jerry cans petrol and 15 gals water.so thats around 650 lbs.plus everything else,surf board (for Moracco and South Africa),tools camping gear,extra parts and spare tires should be carrying about 1400 lbs fully loaded with my fat butt included. the engine and transmission are being built with the weight in mind and it will have alot of torque. but what it will do when loaded and in the sand i dont know yet.luckily, i live near the Mojave dessert where we have all the conditions i think i will encounter.so this summer i will be testing the car.i guess i could go without the extra 15 gals. of petrol and weight of the jerry cans. am i,m worrying too much about running out of petrol or not being able to find it in a town more than i need to? marko
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am i,m worrying too much about running out of petrol or not being able to find it in a town more than i need to? marko
200-220 litres total fuel capacity should be more than enough and you will hardly ever have to fill that. To spread your bets you might want to fit a smaller main tank and carry some jerries.

In Morocco petrol is no problem. In Mauritania it is sometimes hard to find, but you can normally rustle it up from somewhere. It is used as fuel for domestic water pumps so if pushed you can get a litre here - a litre there. Mali is moto country - generally everywhere you find people you will find petrol, at least South of Timbuktu. The prices might shock you though.
For Algeria and Niger someone else will be better placed to answer.

If you get a chance post a pic of your VW.
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hello , here are some pictures of the bug its under construction. but there is a picture of my last engine that i threw a piston rod threw the top of the block and a picture of the engine that is being built now... marko

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Just one question Marco,

How in the name of God are you going to carry all that fuel and water !?

Are you trying to do a non-stop run down to CPT ?

I think just a couple of jerry cans as extra would be enough.

Surly the VW can't be that heavy on fuel?
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