how was your trip to Senegal?

regards

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bernardo feio lightweight
portugal

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bernardo feio lightweight:
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how was your trip to Senegal?

regards

YO bernardo,

nice to hear from you again. everything OK? A very nice trip. It took us 22 days to reach The Gambia. We experienced a lot of breakdown : leafsprings broken, chassis broken, ruptured timing belt, broken halfshafts, broken differential, etc; But as you know with Series ; everything is repairable ; so we did. Not to many problems on the bordercrossings. Because of the extreme heat in Morocco we did not take the route along the railway to Atar insteed we went along the beach to Nouadibou.

Anyway, we had a great time. My wife and I are planning a trip to East- and South-Africa, mayby for next year. But then we will go alone and take one year holiday.

Let my know how your trip was.

LR-greetings,

Kar El

hi


"We experienced a lot of breakdown : leafsprings broken, chassis broken, ruptured timing belt, broken halfshafts, broken differential, etc"


:-( :-(

how did you fix all that stuff?

did you take more time than it was expected?

my trip was delayed 1 year :-( one of my friend start working and he had no vacancies in 2002...

but we are preparing the trip to dakar for the summer of 2003

how did you send the land rovers back home?
all the prices I have are a fortune...

and most of the transport companys just don´t answer my emails

regards and good luck for your next trip

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

Yo,

we went with 7 Landies, so it was possible to take a lot of spares and equipment on the trip. We had a generator, welding machine, drill, axlegrinder etc. Must of which we left behind in a hospital in The Gambia. We had all the spare parts to repair everything except the broken diff and leafsprings (which we found locally ; that's the advantage of driving Series Landies in Africa).
We shipped our Land Rovers back to Belgium with a Belgian expedition firm : cost around 1250€ per Land Rover (not cheap, but everything went very smooth even in Africa). I can give you the email address if you're interested.

Greetings,

Kar El

hi


"we went with 7 Landies, so it was possible to take a lot of spares and equipment on the trip. We had a generator, welding machine, drill, axlegrinder etc."

you don't travel light! :-)

...but if all that stuf resolved the breakdowns...

"We shipped our Land Rovers back to Belgium with a Belgian expedition firm : cost around 1250€ per Land Rover (not cheap, but everything went very smooth even in Africa)."


that price is aprox the price I have to shippe the series from Dakar to Lisbond! and belgium is a "bit" more far from Dakar than Lisbond! In that price are included the taxes in the ports?

how many land rover did you shippe in a container? 2 or 3?


"I can give you the email address if you're interested"


yes if you can.


regards
from portugal

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

Yela Bernardo,


"you don't travel light! :-)"

There's allready enough light-stuff around : like coke-light and light meals etc. (just joking).
Considering the short period of time we had for travelling and reaching our destination, it was worth every kilo. It was fun actually, welding in the desert (and hot aswell). Ofcourse it is possible to get everything fixed locally but that takes time. I had never the feeling that these things slowed us down because of the weight or volume : if you sort everything out you can put a lot of stuff in 7 Landies.

"that price is aprox the price I have to shippe the series from Dakar to Lisbond! and belgium is a "bit" more far from Dakar than Lisbond! In that price are included the taxes in the ports?"

"how many land rover did you shippe in a container? 2 or 3? "

We had 4 containers : 3 40ft and 1 20ft.
We travelled with 5 long wheelbase LR's and 2 short wheelbase LR's.
You can put 3 shorties in a 40ft or 2 longies. In a 20ft only 1 landie.
For the 4 containers we paid 9000€ : that included every (even an extra insurrance).

If you want more information about the containers : send an email to Mr. Jan Welter, he has a belgian-based shipping company. Do it with my compliments and he will be very helpfull in finding all the shipping that you need.

His email : welter@skynet.be

See you,

Kar El

thanks for your contact

I already send him a few mails.

what do you think about this prices:

base price from Dakar to Leixoes: 1170 euros
taxes in Dakar: 1226 euros
taxes in Leixoes: 376 euros
(1 container of 40' with 3 SIII 88)


are't the taxes in Dakar too expensive? I'm going to pay more in Dakar than from all the trip from Dakar to Leixoes!!!


one more thing:

what was your autonomy of fuel? how many liters of diesel did you take in each serie?


best regards

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

The charges in Dakar dont sound right. To discharge a container in the port (i.e. when you ship a container TO Dakar) you pay a charge of CFA100,000 (11.2001)irrespective of what is in the container. Then the transiteur fees come on top of this. Try asking Maersk, they will give you a complete price and then a breakdown of where the money goes. The complete price doesnt seem to be too bad. Shipping from Hamburg or Antwerp to Dakar is about the same price.

hi

the base prices I have from Maersk are superior to the ones I have from Otal

base price from Dakar to Lisbon: 2250 euros!!
taxes in Dakar: ???? euros(I did't ask because de base price is much superior!!)
taxes in Lisbon: 472 euros


"The complete price doesn't seem to be too bad. Shipping from Hamburg or Antwerp to Dakar is about the same price. "

...but Portugal is much closer to Dakar them Hamburg or Antwerp!!!! :-(


some one does't like me! :-( :-(


regards from Portugal
bernardo feio
lightweight

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

Bernardo

If you ship a container then they usually give you a complete price which includes renting the container, and shipping it . Either way it seems that it comes out at 2500 Euros, give or take. The fact that Lisbon is nearer to Dakar has nothing to do with the price. Most of the costs incurred go to port fees, docking fees, unloading/ loading, customs fees etc. In about two weeks Im driving down to Dakar so when I get there Ill try to get more info - if you want.

thanks kevin

when he are paning a trip like this one all the information is usefull... expecialy if it makes you waste less money! :-)

b regards

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bernardo feio lightweight
portugal

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

hi

during my contacts to find transportation from Dakar to Portugal in containers one of the agents suggested me that it was not needed that the 4x4 were in containers.

some boats transport cars from dakar to portugal out of the containers. any comments about this kind of transportation? is it safe? it's much chepear...




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bernardo feio lightweight
portugal

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bernardo feio lightweight:
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thanks for your contact

I already send him a few mails.

what do you think about this prices:

base price from Dakar to Leixoes: 1170 euros
taxes in Dakar: 1226 euros
taxes in Leixoes: 376 euros
(1 container of 40' with 3 SIII 88)


are't the taxes in Dakar too expensive? I'm going to pay more in Dakar than from all the trip from Dakar to Leixoes!!!


one more thing:

what was your autonomy of fuel? how many liters of diesel did you take in each serie?


best regards

Hello Bernardo,

sorry for mailing back so late. The prices seem OK. About the taxes : when we shipped our landies back we had to pay only a small fraction of the estimated port-taxes in Banjul.
Taxes tend to be as expensive as the actual shipping-costs.

Some people put the car not in a container but on deck : this costs about 1/3 of the price for container-transport. Safety is ofcourse another issue : make sure your landie is burglar-proof.

My series 109 has 3 fuel-tanks : 2 under the frontseats (both about 45liters) and 1 above the rear-axle (about 80liters). So in total about 170 liters of diesel : more then enough (the fuel consumption of my series with DAF400 2,5 dieselengine was about 12 liters/100km : on tarmac and pistes, more ofcourse in loose sand).

I took 2 jerrycans on the roofrack which I only filled up when the fuel was very cheap.

See you,

Karel

hi


>About the taxes : when we shipped our >landies back we had to pay only a small >fraction of the estimated port-taxes in >Banjul


why?

>Some people put the car not in a container >but on deck : this costs about 1/3 of the >price for container-transport. Safety is >ofcourse another issue : make sure your >landie is burglar-proof.

whit a canvas lightweight is going to be a dificult task!! :-)

>My series 109 has 3 fuel-tanks : 2 under >the frontseats (both about 45liters) and 1 >above the rear-axle (about 80liters). So >in total about 170 liters of diesel : more >then enough (the fuel consumption of my >series with DAF400 2,5 dieselengine was >about 12 liters/100km : on tarmac and >pistes, more ofcourse in loose sand).

the 170 liters were necessary? were is the most dificult place to find fuel?

one more thing, why did you chose banjul insted of dakar? because og the shipping costs or because you want to see the Gambia?


best regards from portugal



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best regards from Portugal
bernardo feio lightweight

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bernardo feio (Portugal)
2.5 Land Rover Lightweight / BMW R80 G/S PD / Toyota HZJ 78

Hello Bernardo,


>why?<

I don't know, but I think Jan Welter always calculates for the worst case scenario. If you bear in mind what he says about the estimated prices, you won't get any unpleasant surprises.


>whit a canvas lightweight is going to be a dificult task!! :-)>

If you don't put any valuables inside your landie and you can live with the fact that after shipping on deck your landie will miss a few parts, you can risk it.
Why not buying a cheap 88 and selling it afterwards in Africa : it will save you quite a lot of money??

>the 170 liters were necessary? were is the most dificult place to find fuel?<

Well, it gives you a safe feeling ; and you don't need to be looking for fuel all the time. I think 150 liters is a minimum.
Morocco and Mauritania are no problem to find fuel. Senegal and The Gambia ; a bit more difficult sometimes but never a major problem.

>one more thing, why did you chose banjul insted of dakar? because og the shipping costs or because you want to see the Gambia?<

Because our destination was a hospital and school (which we supplied with goods) in The Gambia. The Gambia is a bit greener then Senegal and if you are in the area, why not give it a visit?
Banjul-port is much smaller then Dakar-port and I guess much more hassle-free then Dakar. I think shipping costs are about the same.


See you,

Karel

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