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Hello Burden,

I do not think so. The Bou Lanouar - Choum piste will rest in peace for a century or very much more. Why should "they" build a road from NDB to Atar or Zouerat?
The sense of the Oran - Bamako route is to bypass the international trafic from Marrocco. NDB - Choum is nothing - only for "NoSirlies" use (FJS) and they take the fabulous train ;-)

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Hey Cutrex, Ferdi !
Just a few weeks ago we were talking about the difficult dune / wadi exit on the route Tidjitja - Kiffa.
Are you now saying it is sealed all the way??? No dunes, no sandy, stony tracks?


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Hello Burden,

I do not think so. The Bou Lanouar - Choum piste will rest in peace for a century or very much more. Why should "they" build a road from NDB to Atar or Zouerat?
The sense of the Oran - Bamako route is to bypass the international trafic from Marrocco. NDB - Choum is nothing - only for "NoSirlies" use (FJS) and they take the fabulous train ;-)

Cheers
Ferdi
To link the main Mauri port (NDB), with Mauri spiritual capital (Atar) and Mauri economic powerhouse (Zouerate) ? The Algerians may be more interested in reaching the Atlantic (NDB) than Bamako I imagine. Besides the road to Bamako stops at Didieni these days, after that it's better to walk the remaining 160 km .

Anyway, time will tell.

Oran to Niamey (3500 km cca.) in 48 hours half a century ago? If it was not a flying carpet, plain impossible. It would require a theoretical average speed of more than 70 kmph!
The Tanezrouft is fast

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but not that fast Down south it gets a little trickier

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not to mention the numerous checkpoints, borders and all those baaandits.

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Who or what are "nosirlies" & "FJS"?
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Hello Ali,

this depends on which route from Tidjikja to Kiffa you will take:

One full paved is via Sangrave, the other via Bou M'deit only two or three dozens km tared road.

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Sorry "Burden",

never saw a name or country of you. So, "fjs" is fjs: https://www.fjs.de/

And the "NoSirlies" are small black creatures coming out of the forest by crying "No Sir". The hunter fjs in Togo killed them. By coming home - a reporter asked him, what did you killed in Togo - Elephants, Hippos or what? (Togo was an anciened german colony). And he, fjs, told him, "NoSirlies" - a realistic "joke" - any other questions? I hope not.

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Oh! Ok Ferdi, I've been on that road. Interesting but not at all exciting!
I assumed that other people are like me, always seeking more direct or wilder route and that this was the one now sealed!
I breath a sigh of relief.
So many places are being spanned by fast, sealed roads, encouraging more people to go to the open spaces where they disrupt the peace of nature. Soon there will be nowhere for wild-road lovers to go.


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Hello Aliprovidor,

yes, I am always seeking new pistes. 6 years ago I made the similar route in 10 days, this year in 3:

https://www.wuestenschiff.de/phpbb/f...11-t44819.html

And in July this year I drove the horrible piste between BayanTes and Mörön - never ever! The rest of the mongolian paths were ok, but that? 10 hours of stupid driving.

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Ferdi,
I am sorry for you! The big problem is information! Why did you go that way? Let me guess! The map showed that it was the way; the main road!


But there are other ways to Morun that are beautiful and much shorter!
The maps are Merde. Only Russian maps are to be believed here. The maps made by Mongolia are very much not to be believed.


This is why I ask many questions of knowledgeable people regarding things in Africa. I have many good maps but still the experienced person has the best information. Even then you must filter the information. What is "Good" to them or "Terrible" may to you, with your experience, be the opposite.
It is not easy.
Better luck next time!


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Sorry "Burden",

never saw a name or country of you. So, "fjs" is fjs: https://www.fjs.de/

And the "NoSirlies" are small black creatures coming out of the forest by crying "No Sir". The hunter fjs in Togo killed them. By coming home - a reporter asked him, what did you killed in Togo - Elephants, Hippos or what? (Togo was an anciened german colony). And he, fjs, told him, "NoSirlies" - a realistic "joke" - any other questions? I hope not.

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Sososo Fredi, FJS is Franz Josef Strauss, aka die Fratze?
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Never thought this fine gentleman would make it onto the pages of this forum. Wonder whether the second pic was taken before or after he went hunting for "small black creatures" in Togo who must've been economic migrants from Ghana, given their cosmopolitan language skills.
So you say the Bou Lanouar - Choum piste only for Franzl and blacks. Duly noted.
Further questions?
No sir
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Wow, I didn't know Frans Josef had African blood. Like Pushkin and Beethoven then.
Learn something new every day.
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Wow, I didn't know Frans Josef had African blood. Like Pushkin and Beethoven then.
Learn something new every day.
Why leave Carl XVI Gustav behind - the ultimate black stud
Which brings us back to Algeria: Sven Lindqvist - Exterminate all the brutes. Lindqvist apparently did some field research in Bechar and Tindouf too.
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"Exterminate all the brutes!" colonel Kurtz exclaimed.
Lindqvist was a fashionable maoist and cultural attaché to Beijing at the time.
He also wrote "Desert divers" 1990, about the Sahara.
Visited Algeria and Mauretania.
Nouakchott: "tents are now made of concrete"
https://www.bokus.com/bok/9781862075078/desert-divers/
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"Exterminate all the brutes!" colonel Kurtz exclaimed.
Lindqvist was a fashionable maoist and cultural attaché to Beijing at the time.
He also wrote "Desert divers" 1990, about the Sahara.
Visited Algeria and Mauretania.
Nouakchott: "tents are now made of concrete"
https://www.bokus.com/bok/9781862075078/desert-divers/
The man wrote some truly outstanding books ... besides, being a maoist doesn't seem to be all that bad - they 're winning
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Only 40km of piste they say between Zouerate and Choum now.
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