Just to clarify, Yves, I am confused about the mention of Djanet/Tin Alkoum and Ghadames as being the same crossing, as unless I have it all wrong they are some miles apart...I was understanding that only the border at Deb Deb and Ghadames is open?

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Hi Paula, unless you known better for sure I dont beieve Deb Deb is any more open for tourists then Tin Alkoum. I've heard of tourists getting through Tin Alkoum in good years but never through Deb Deb.
TA would b a much more interesting route through Libya, if you have a choice.

You can get 90-day visas, at least in London, esp if you explain your mode of transport.

Ch

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Thanks Chris.

I understand from what you are saying that the border with Libya is to all intents and purposes closed, just as it was when I initially disregarded the idea of detouring through Algeria this time last year. Is it simply a case of pot luck at the border, and the goodwill of locals? Equally, if I enter Libya in the Never Never and have a valid visa for the country in my passport, leaving it until I get to a military post, is it likely that i would simply be turned back? One of my problems is that I rarely cross borders in the usual places. I will take this up with authorities, but am interested in your thoughts.

Cheers
Paula

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the border with Libya is to all intents and purposes closed.
These days, with Algeria and for tourists, yes. But a connected Libyan agency could possibly open doors. Not having a car and all the associated papers makes it less difficult.

Is it simply a case of pot luck at the border, and the goodwill of locals?
In West Africa maybe but in Libya, as far as tourists are concerned, I don't think so.


Equally, if I enter Libya in the Never Never and have a valid visa for the country in my passport, leaving it until I get to a military post, is it likely that i would simply be turned back?

You will have to sort it out with the agency that organises your invite. I imagine the visa will require a date and a recognised entry point complete with forms and men in hats. These days AFAIK in Libya that is only Ras Ajdir in the west and Saloum or whatever it's called in the east. As in Algeria, if you disregard regs it's the agency who also get in trouble/lose their license. It's not like turning up at an outback Mali border where you can talk/pay your way out of it.

One of my problems is that I rarely cross borders in the usual places.

Well these days with Al Qaeda of the Mahgreb knocking about you will need a good reason not to. We did a big west-east crossing a couple of years ago (with cars) and took liberties with border regs out of Mori, across Mali and even into Algeria where we got lucky and got right up to the Libyan border. Carrying on east in the same gung-ho manner into Libya would have ended badly at the first checkpoint.

Your very first step is to make contact with a Libyan operator and see what they can do. Then the Alg side will be relatively easy to organise.

Ch

Try this guy in Ghadames (in French - never met him but sounds like could even be a desert & camel man, not a northerner).
You'd think he'll know about Deb Deb for sure.

Aboubaker Aboukassen
abukas2000 At yahoo dot com

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