Aswan to Wadi Halfa Latest

[aimlessinafrica]

A group (3 x Landcruisers + 3 x bikes) of us recently had to organise a barge from Aswan to Wadi Halfa. Due to the Eid holidays most of us waited ~ 2 weeks to get our vehicles/bikes on the barge. During this time we were promised a number of different loading days and departure days. Below is a summary. You can see the full details on our blog: aimlessinafrica.blogspot.com

In general we found Aswan port to be the most corrupt customs post of our journey (15 months, ~ 65,000 km & 34 countries)
The Nile Valley Navigation Company is the most incompetent, disorganised, dishonest and unethical organisation we have ever been involved with.
Mr Salah (01283160926) appears to now only handle the passenger ferry. He will refer you to Mr Rashaad for the vehicle barge. Mr Salah will only issue a passenger ticket when your vehicle is on the barge. This is easily done on the day of departure.
We only managed to get Mr Rashaad (01090772410) to answer his phone once (from Cairo to confirm a vehicle booking). Hence, it is a problem to contact him and make arrangements. In addition, his English is basic (but better than my non-existent Arabic!), so it is difficult to have a complex conversation.
The easy way would seem to be to contact Mr Mahmoud Idris (01006845201). He speaks good English and can make contact and organise for you to see Mr Rashaad. Getting to see the right person and confirming a booking and schedule are the biggest uncertainties.
To obtain a ticket for the barge requires the approval of the “blind shouting man”. We could not work out is position/role, but you need him to approve your vehicle ticket.

You do not need a fixer. The procedure is very straight forward (the blog “gapyear4x4” gives clear directions on all the steps, directions to offices etc):
• Court Clearance to confirm no traffic violations,
• return the number plates, vehicle registration card/licence and pink copy of the vehicle ticket to the police
• go to the port and clear customs
• Drive down the road a bit and get the carnet stamped.
• Proceed to a holding area
• Load the vehicle

The fixer Kamal (01005322669) who assisted us is a buffoon. He facilitates/perpetuates the corrupt system of bribes with the Customs people.
The fixer Mohamed Abouda (01225111968) seems to be a very nasty piece of work. He tried threats, standover tactics, intimidation etc to try and extract funds from Brian & Anna. He lied to the bikers, Rob & Rick.

The main problems seem to be:
• getting in touch with the right person to get barge space for a vehicle transfer
• sorting out the schedule and accurate times/dates for the vehicle barge
• The systemic customs corruption and the lies told by the Nile Valley Navigation Company staff regarding vehicle transfer.
A strong warning must be given about the Nile Valley Navigation Company people. Whilst you must deal with them, you cannot believe them. So, whilst they may give assurances, times, dates etc this should all be taken with a huge degree of skepticism. Sad, but true.

[roro]

Hoping that the road will be opening soon!
But about corruption, it will be almost the same...

RR.

[goingdownsouth]

Ahhh Mr. Salah and the famous Aswan ferry!!

First class cabins and all!!!

What an experience we best forget - I'm still having nightmares!!!

We crossed with 7 vehicles at the end of May 2012.

It was a pain in the !!

Everybody is corrupt in Egypt and the new road will probably save future overlanders a lot of hassle!!

Mohammed Aboudah was our fixer on the Egyptian side and even though he was playing the game he managed to get 7 of our vehicles on the barge. He was crooked but probably the best one of the lot!!

The most honest fixer I met was on the Sudanese side - Mazar Mahir!

Look him up - he was true to his word and got 7 of us cleared in 75 minutes!

Hope this helps.

[achim-in-jordan]

While I would agree to some extent with the incompetence of Egyptian institutions, I do not fully share aimlessinafrica's summary of the Aswan part of the ferry drama:

1.) Kamal might be difficult because of his poor English but he manages the things he has to manage. He pays the fees he has to and there is certainly some money going to officials and port workers to speed up things. But I would find it overstating to say that he is the one to perpetuate the system.

2.) You might be able to organize some of the steps in the harbour but I would probably not have found the traffic court or later the traffic police. And why losing an awful lot of time by trying to find out the necessary steps and places in this kafkaesque system?

3.) Mahmood Idriss works together with Kamal (but would - for instance - not to the necessary with either traffic court or police). His advantage is his reasonable English. Being of Nubian / Sudanese decent, he is far more honest than the rest.

4.) I do agree - and strongly so - that Mohammed Abouda is a crook! He took 300 LE from fellow travellers for unspecified "services" that were worth a maximum of maybe 80 LE (50 LE for the customs officer and 30 LE for the port workers). In addition, he charged 25 LE for the traffic court receipt which should have been 5 LE. He asked people to pay 20 LE for the customs guy to not check the interior of the cars for which there was no need. He charged high taxi rates for the several shuttles between the town and Aswan port (Kamal drove me around four times without charging any extra money). After lengthy protests , Mohammed Aboutda returned 100 of the 300 LE.

His English is better than that of Kamal and he apparently deals with Overlanding companies so he is able to manage things. But the price for this is definitely too high. Apparently, he is often recommended by the camp in Luxor which brings him business. But, to state it very clearly: He doesn't deserve it and should just be avoided!

5.) For the Sudanese side, I can only agree with "goingdownsouth": Mazar is great and managed to get two of our cars out during a public holiday. From the 30 Dollars, he charges, he pays the tips to workers of the barges and other expenses. His mobile number is +249 1223 80740.

6.) Forget about the cabin! It is sticky and useless. Mahmoud Idriss will organize space for you next to the bridge (we stayed there with 15 foreigners). Right now, it can be very chilly at night (winter has come early this year)!!

Be in Aswan on Friday night to have enough time to organize everything starting Saturday! One problem can be the Sudanese consulate: If you need your visa, you can only do it starting Sundays when hopefully your car will be loaded onto the barge. This can become very tight as our fellow travellers experienced!

Greetings from Dongola
Achim

[itchyfeet38]

We went with Mahmoud Abouda who was recommended to us by friends who'd traveled a few weeks earlier and we thought he was pretty good. He told us exactly what we would pay and it didn't change. It did include an amount for "sweeteners" and a set amount for his fee - which was $40 as opposed to Kamal's $30. However, we got the car off the barge the same day (which was only one day after we arrived on the ferry) and basically the whole entry process was fairly stress-free. He also helped us get a permit to drive ourselves to Abu Simbel for no charge.

Mazar on the Wadi Halfa end was also fine.

Whoever you use I think the important thing is to nail the costs down upfront. How much for actual outgoings (eg insurance, road traffic etc), how much for bribes (in practice everyone involved in this process - and there are plenty of them - is expecting something), finally how much is his fee?

As regards the ferry I have to say I was really glad we had a cabin - it was August and the air-con was a god-send. It was pretty comfy, had electricity - in short well worth the extra in our view (from memory we paid $75 as opposed to $50 for no cabin).

[sashkow]

We are planning to load the car on 1st of December. The ferry for us is on 3rd.
The info you mentioned is valuable but scary as well.
I hope our hard experience in Alexandria will help to handle it.

Do you know where we have to take a permission to photograph in Sudan - in Wadi Halfa or somewhere else?

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