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First there is no way that cop was there for 25 years. The number of people that drive down there Canada in huge RVs is a bit hard to miss. The Number of Mexicans that drive up to work legaly is even larger. His boss will have known that even if he din't.
He cant take your bike away he can only impound it the Court can but be he cant.
He works for the state of Arizona (or a county or city) not the USA and cant speak of all the US import laws. Driving laws in the USA are state by state there is no ban on foreign bikes. There is no such thing as a USA plate there state plates.
$600 fine for illegal import, driving a non street legal bike and doing all this across state lines is dam cheap. And a case for the FBI he oversteped his position.
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That sums him up bout right
Dam man you got case agenst the city of Yuma and the state Arizona! $$$$$$ You just paid for your trip what with all the mental anguish you now have and damage to bike (you now need a new one) from falling off it after he maid you so jumpy of other cops. God bless the USA and its legal system!
Please tell me you got his name. He is an ass and a clear example of the stupid ugly American sory you had to run in to him.
On the other hand people that are in the USA illegally are braking the law its what the word is. To be legal they need paper work not that hard to get. Much harder to get paper work for a US citizen to live and work in Mexico than for a Mexican citizen live and work in the USA. Id like to be rid of silly paperwork my self, its gust the USA wants it tax $ from even the poorest people
As far as history who has the right to claim what go back before 1700 Norway had people here before Spain and there was Indians (First Nation) before that. Its the Europeans that seem to think only there laws history and people mater. Seems many in the USA take it to the extream.
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Working Papers or Citizenship
Right on DLbiten, I neglected to mention "working papers" that could be an excellent option, Mexicans would not be considered illegal, if they obtained permission to work in the USA. Anyone know how easy/difficult the process of obtaining "working papers" is for Mexicans/foreigners wanting to work in the USA?
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Dam man you got case agenst the city of Yuma and the state Arizona! $$$$$$ You just paid for your trip what with all the mental anguish you now have and damage to bike (you now need a new one) from falling off it after he maid you so jumpy of other cops. God bless the USA and its legal system!
Please tell me you got his name. He is an ass and a clear example of the stupid ugly American sory you had to run in to him.
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You wouldn't have a case, at least not in Arizona. That is the reason for the continued ignorance in this state--lawsuits are severely limited or neutered; authorities have very little to worry about here. California would be a different matter, or any other lawsuit-happy state, but Arizona, not really. However, a federal lawyer might be able to take it to federal court...
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If a person is caught while breaking into a store, he is a criminal. If you run a red light, and are caught, you have committed a crime and are a criminal. It will be entered into your driving record and subsequent violations will take this into consideration. If you sneak across the border and work illegally, you are a criminal. The cost of illegal mexicans to the U.S. taxpayer is 3.68 billion USD a year. They ARE criminals and should be regarded as such in every aspect including jail time and deportation. If we, as travelers, sneak into a country with no visa, no passport, and are caught, say in Egypt, Iran, any African nation, we will likely be escorted to the border after some time in jail, confiscation of our bike, and a healthy fine. Why should it be different for illegal mexicans who contribute disproportionately to the crime rate, welfare rate, and education cost. Throw them out without mercy.
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The cost of illegal mexicans to the U.S. taxpayer is 3.68 billion USD a year...They ARE criminals and should be regarded as such in every aspect including jail time and deportation...Why should it be different for illegal mexicans who contribute disproportionately to the crime rate, welfare rate, and education cost. Throw them out without mercy.
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Could not disagree with you more--most of the immigrants (legal or not) that I encounter are among the hardest working, most honest people I know, and are willing to do jobs that most US citizens will not. The fact is that many US businesses depend on immigrants, legal and illegal, and hire them for that reason. We need a work permit program that will allow these people to come and work without being labelled illegal.
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Could not disagree with you more--most of the immigrants (legal or not) that I encounter are among the hardest working, most honest people I know, and are willing to do jobs that most US citizens will not. The fact is that many US businesses depend on immigrants, legal and illegal, and hire them for that reason. We need a work permit program that will allow these people to come and work without being labelled illegal.
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Exactly right. If US citizens were prepared to do those jobs and businesses abide by the rules on who they employ, there would not be an incentive for illegal immigrants as they would not find work when they came. The real travesty in my mind is that there is so much poverty in their home country that they are willing to risk death to work in such a way in the first place...
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Not my words nor facts. Check the FBI and California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico budgetary findings on costs of illegal Mexican immigrants. For starters though, illegal Mexican immigrants have an incarceration rate 15 times higher than citizens. This incarceration rate does not include those arrested for being illegal immigrants. At 40,000 dollars a year per inmate, that is a lot of money lost. Figures of 7974 dollars per year per student K-1 -K12 and multiply that by 4 million. The facts are available. Yes, there are honest people, but honesty and industry do no obviate illegality.
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Not my words nor facts. Check the FBI and California, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico budgetary findings on costs of illegal Mexican immigrants.
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Do these cost figures take into the positive effect of immigrants represented by the lower costs, for all Americans, of everything from restaurants, hotels, landscaping, housekeepers, vegetables, construction work, painting, etc.? Like it or not, these people form a crucial part of our economy. And if you think that if you drive out all of the immigrants then these businesses will simply hire citizens to take their place, ask some of the businesses involved how well they think that will work.
The 15x incarceration rate sounds hard to believe, but I'll have to take your word for it because I don't have time right now to do the relevant research.
And as to schools--people often complain that immigrants don't try hard enough to integrate into US society (ie, learn English), but then complain about having to pay for their kids to go to school!
And I'm not saying things can't be improved--I totally agree that immigrants should pay their taxes, but right now that is very difficult if not impossible for them to do so, since they have no legal status--again, we need some kind of work permit arrangement that allows/requires them to pay taxes.
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