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Diesel in Russia
Motorbike riders get to chose between 98, 95, 92, 80 octane, etc.. 4x4ers have only "дt" to chose from. Well, not quite: petrol stations sometimes advertise different kind of "дизель" (pronounced deesly') with different prices, but I couldn't understand the differences, maybe somebody could shed some light on this ?
There is plain "дt" and sometimes "евро дt" (euro diesel ?), is it some different refinement grade ? note that any kind of fuel that remotely resembles diesel will fire my 130 cv, naturally aspirated 4.2l toyota, but I wonder if it matters for modern turbo-common-rail engines.
Then there are different prices for дt. Usually it's around 32-34 rub, but I got it once at 30 rub. The guy at the window moaned a bit about it, but finally unlocked the pump. Maybe it's a special price for lorries ? or .. ?
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...different kind of "дизель" (pronounced deeply)...
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To avoid confusion, дизель is not pronounced deesly, but rather like in English--"deezl". But you are better off asking for дт, which stands for "diesel fuel" and which is pronounced sort of like deh teh.
Sorry, have no idea out your other questions.
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To avoid confusion, дизель is not pronounced deesly, but rather like in English--"deezl". But you are better off asking for дт, which stands for "diesel fuel" and which is pronounced sort of like deh teh.
Sorry, have no idea out your other questions.
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Oops, spellcheck screw up. Thanks for the correction.
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Sorry, I assumed from your 130cv that you had an older LandCruiser. I don't know much about Land Rover engines but I don't think the Td5i is CRD and, if so, you probably don't need to use Eurodiesel.
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Originally Posted by lbendel
Motorbike riders get to chose between 98, 95, 92, 80 octane, etc.. 4x4ers have only "дt" to chose from. Well, not quite: petrol stations sometimes advertise different kind of "дизель" (pronounced deesly') with different prices, but I couldn't understand the differences, maybe somebody could shed some light on this ?
There is plain "дt" and sometimes "евро дt" (euro diesel ?), is it some different refinement grade ? note that any kind of fuel that remotely resembles diesel will fire my 130 cv, naturally aspirated 4.2l toyota, but I wonder if it matters for modern turbo-common-rail engines.
Then there are different prices for дt. Usually it's around 32-34 rub, but I got it once at 30 rub. The guy at the window moaned a bit about it, but finally unlocked the pump. Maybe it's a special price for lorries ? or .. ?
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I'm very interested by this topic about quality of diesel.
If somebody has the answers, okease let us know
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Eurodiesel is low sulphur, for modern common rail engines.
Diesel is diesel, for older engines basically.
Low sulphur diesel is more expensive because they have to replace the sulpur which acts as the lubricant in your injector pump.
Its not specific to Rusiia, anywhere not in euroweeny land (EU) usually still sell 'proper' diesel, which is actually better for older non common rail engines.
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Thanks for our reply.
So if I understand well, if I see , in all Stans, a pomp with "евро дt" (euro diesel)" written on it, I can refill my tank without worrying about quality?
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We've been across Georgia, Armenia, most of the Stans and are now in Irkutsk. We have a Land Cruiser with the 1HDFTE engine (24valve, turbo, intercooler & electronic fuel injection NOT crd). We've been buying the cheapest diesel we can find for nearly 20,000km with no problems. Your 1HZ engine will run on almost anything combustible. Give up worrying and save the money.
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I don't know what is 1hdtfe Toy engine and his electronic injection. I have a Land Rover TD5 with electronic regulated injection who needs good quality diesel.
Even the GO pump inside the GO tank needs this quality of diesel and this the reason I'm worrying about that.
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Originally Posted by liammons
Eurodiesel is low sulphur, for modern common rail engines.
Diesel is diesel, for older engines basically.
Low sulphur diesel is more expensive because they have to replace the sulpur which acts as the lubricant in your injector pump.
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Not exactly correct. The sulfur is not the lubricant. Hydrocarbons that are inadvertently removed in the desulfurization process are the pump lubricants. Nowadays pump lubricants are added back to LSD.
Also, it doesn't matter what kind of injection system one has. The only thing that drives the decision to get LSD vs "regular diesel" is one's emission system. If there is a catalyst (oxidation to burn soot and/or reduction to combine NOx with ammonia from urea [AdBlue]) then one should get lowest sulfur diesel when available, the sulfur poisons the catalyst. If the sump has low SAPS oil in it (ACEA Cx) then lowest sulfur is best. ACEA Cx oils are specified for catalyst and DPF (diesel particulate filter) equipped exhaust systems.
A few Euro 4, most Euro 5 and all Euro 6 emission systems require LSD.
I personally love the "bouquet" of high sulfur diesel.
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As above, euro 5 and 6 engines require low sulphur diesel, or all their low emissions stuff removed, such as DPFs, CATS etc (which then, theoretically make them illegal in their own country).
The modern vehicles you see in these countries don't have the same engines as we in Europe have. If you look in your manual (at least it was in the manual for my Hilux) you will see the spec for engines in Russia, Africa etc is different to Euro spec.
You will get a way with it for a while, but if you persist it will catch up on you. I ran my Hilux in Belarus but only put 2-3 tanks of fuel in.
Thats why I run an old truck for expeditions which, provided you drink enough vodka, you could piss in the fuel tank and it would run!
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As above, euro 5 and 6 engines require low sulphur diesel, or all their low emissions stuff removed, such as DPFs, CATS etc (which then, theoretically make them illegal in their own country).
The modern vehicles you see in these countries don't have the same engines as we in Europe have. If you look in your manual (at least it was in the manual for my Hilux) you will see the spec for engines in Russia, Africa etc is different to Euro spec.
You will get a way with it for a while, but if you persist it will catch up on you. I ran my Hilux in Belarus but only put 2-3 tanks of fuel in.
Thats why I run an old truck for expeditions which, provided you drink enough vodka, you could piss in the fuel tank and it would run!
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Hi, you're lucky to have 2 vehicles for travel. 
Unfortunately, I have only my DEF TD5. with a new engine because the old one was out of service due to bad diesel (GO in the cylinders, no more compression, due to injectors out of service after travelling in Iran and Africa without any precautions about GO).
That's the reason I'm worrying 
If only I didn't have sold my 300 TDI, never problem with him!
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I always putted the cheapest diesel in my Defender.
Sometimes the exhaust smoke was black sometimes not, but I didn't care.
After 2 long trips there, my 4x4 is still running well, so just don't care about diesel quality.
Local people are using this diesel too for the own car including big and modern 4x4, so just for few weeks / months should be fine for you
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Thanks Jmi for your advice.
In which countries your experience is about?
Russia or Central Asia?
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Bad fuel
BTW, we've just had a bad experience with fuel in Kosh-Agash. We filled up (200 liters!) at the АЗС station. It's just another of the many modern petrol station in the village, not cheaper than the other ones, chosen at random.
Just after crossing the border, we've had a stuttering engine and white smoke coming off the exhaust. So we've just drained all of it and replaced it with fresh diesel from Mongolia ("Petrovic" seems OK). Seems much better so far, no damage except for the wallet. 
Maybe the bottom of the tank, or a bad batch. Shit happens. 
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TD5 IS a common rail diesel and you should always try to get the Euro Diesel. Older Cruisers and mechanical injection Rovers are fine on regular diesel.
As above, fit a 2nd filter with water separator if you have a common rail diesel, that is pretty much a necessity.
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