Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > Northern and Central Asia
Northern and Central Asia Topics specific to Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Mongolia, China, Japan and Korea
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Like Tree174Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #106  
Old 1 Aug 2022
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tartu, Estonia
Posts: 1,111
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Cullis View Post
It's interesting to note that apart from the 1st Tank Army and 45th Spetsnaz Brigade, most of the RU forces in UA are NOT from Moscow or other rather more enlightened areas. Instead RU is throwing in troops from the far east and the boondocks.
Of course. Young men from Moscow/SPb will have better things to do with their life than get killed in Ukraine - even if they support the war. Most of the troops come from depressed areas where people have no economic prospects. They can spend their life working on a farm or a sawmill for 300-500 USD per month, or they can sign an army contract and get ten times that, for the time they survive. And if they die, well, their family gets a compensation payout and can buy a brand-new Lada.

The Russian authorities remember the wars they lost very well (Afghanistan, the First Chechen War), and know that they can only maintain a high level of public support as long as most of the civilian public can tell themselves that only their neighbors will be impacted, not they themselves. They are too smart to get caught up in it, they won't sign a contract, or will pay a bribe to avoid conscription... The rulers are only in danger when they have to introduce general mobilization and everyone's got a chance of being thrown into a meatgrinder for no good reason.
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 1 Aug 2022
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tartu, Estonia
Posts: 1,111
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris View Post
it seems to be policy to send these young lads as far as possible from home (control/ divide and conquer?)
Yup, exactly. The purpose of army garrisons in Russia has always been at least partially to put down local unrest when needed, so the soldiers need to have no personal ties to the "townies" that they might be ordered to beat or shoot.

A few years ago there was a near-uprising in the Far East, around Vladivostok, where the central authorities had to fly in riot police from Western Russia - the local cops refused to go and beat up and tear-gas the protesters like they are expected to.
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 2 Aug 2022
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 245
The rulers are only in danger when they have to introduce general mobilization and everyone's got a chance of being thrown into a meatgrinder for no good reason.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.
Or when/if the country gets broke if the war drags on like in Afghanistan ( probably the main reason that caused the implosion of the USSR ).
Russia's coffers seem pretty full right now, but who knows.
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 4 Aug 2022
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 1,377
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Cullis View Post
I've always felt that the general population often doesn't support the actions of their government, and I shared the same view as some of those who commented below, surely most Russians must be more aware of world events and cynical about Russian government propaganda.
I have to say that in the months since I posted this, I have changed my views considerably, partly because of interactions with Russian friends, or at this point ex-friends, and partly because it has become blatantly obvious that most Russians simply don't WANT to know what is happening in Ukraine.

You can't really even blame propaganda at this point, because there have been so many reported incidents where parents refuse to believe their own adult children when they say they are being bombed by Russia in Ukraine. not to mention all of the Russians outside of Russia who support the war. Roughly speaking, I've concluded that there is something deep in the Russian psyche which craves a "great Russia," and many Russians are willing to undertake rather impressive mental gymnastics to get them there.

Very sad time for me, a lifelong Russophile. No more.
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 5 Aug 2022
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 245
Yes.
Sad state of things.
It's like finding out your best friend is a bully.
That's what a lack of ' democratic behavior ' ( for lack of better term ) does to a people.
We haven't reached rock bottom yet, unfortunately...
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 6 Aug 2022
chris's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,335
Quote:
Originally Posted by motoreiter View Post
I have to say that in the months since I posted this, I have changed my views considerably, partly because of interactions with Russian friends, or at this point ex-friends, and partly because it has become blatantly obvious that most Russians simply don't WANT to know what is happening in Ukraine.

You can't really even blame propaganda at this point, because there have been so many reported incidents where parents refuse to believe their own adult children when they say they are being bombed by Russia in Ukraine. not to mention all of the Russians outside of Russia who support the war. Roughly speaking, I've concluded that there is something deep in the Russian psyche which craves a "great Russia," and many Russians are willing to undertake rather impressive mental gymnastics to get them there.

Very sad time for me, a lifelong Russophile. No more.
Very sad. Without wanting to deliberately invoke Godwin's Law , there are distinct parallels between Russia today to a different European country in the first half of the 20th Century (run by a populist with a Charlie Chaplin 'tash; sorry his name eludes me at the mo' ) who was able to persuade many of his (easily persuadable?) population to believe there should be a greater version of his country.

From the then National Anthem, as used between 1922 and 1945
Von der Maas bis an die Memel,
Von der Etsch bis an den Belt

The Maas is in the Netherlands, Memel in Lithuania, Belt in Denmark and Etsch in Italy.

In today's world there are plenty of other countries who have been/ are being run by delusional populists. No need to name check them. We know who they are...

Are (some/many/all) humans so easy to be hoodwinked?
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 6 Aug 2022
Tim Cullis's Avatar
Super Moderator
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: London and Granada Altiplano
Posts: 3,124
Quote:
Originally Posted by motoreiter View Post
I have to say that in the months since I posted this, I have changed my views considerably. Very sad time for me, a lifelong Russophile. No more.
Mixed emotions on reading this. It can't be easy finding out a favourite country isn't what you thought it was, but thanks for coming back and reporting.

It's taken me 70 plus years to realise that men are the root cause of so much angst, from bullying, fighting, thieving, murder and genocide. However the saving grace might yet be the number of senior politicians in the countries immediately surrounding Russia that are women, most of whom are incredibly impressive...

Maia Sandu, President Moldova;
Natalia Gavriliţă, Prime Minister, Moldova;
Zuzana Čaputová, President, Slovakia;

Sanna Marin, Prime Minister, Finland; 

Magdalena Andersson, Prime Minister, Sweden;

Ingrida Šimonytė, Prime Minister, Lithuania; 

Kaja Kallas, Prime Minister, Estonia;
Mette Frederiksen, Prime Minister, Denmark;
Iryna Vereshchuk, Deputy Prime Minister, Ukraine;
Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, exiled leader Belarus opposition

I've long held that having women in senior positions leads to fewer wars. Not sure where Liz Truss might fit in this, but anyone who gets up Lavrov's nose can't be all bad.

__________________
"For sheer delight there is nothing like altitude; it gives one the thrill of adventure
and enlarges the world in which you live,"
Irving Mather (1892-1966)
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 18 Aug 2022
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Cullis View Post

It's interesting to note that apart from the 1st Tank Army and 45th Spetsnaz Brigade, most of the RU forces in UA are NOT from Moscow or other rather more enlightened areas. Instead RU is throwing in troops from the far east and the boondocks.
Not sure I can agree it is "interesting" in any meaningful way. How is that different from us? How many Londoners fought in Iraq and Afghanistan? They come from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Yorkshire, Cornwall, Lancs ... the poorer regions. And the US military? Massively overweight in ethnic minorities from lower socio economic groups. So how are the Russians different in any interesting way? Its naturally socially and economically more attractive for people in less developed regions / groups to join the military - in any country

I would similarly be pretty sure that very few of the regular enlisted men in the Peoples Liberation Army come from Shanghai or Beijing as well. Thats just natural forces at play. There are far more attractive economic opportunities available to kids growing up in big cities, that applies equally to whether or not they are British, Russian, Chinese, American or French.

Last edited by colebatch; 18 Aug 2022 at 11:17.
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 18 Aug 2022
chris's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,335
Quote:
Originally Posted by colebatch View Post
Not sure I can agree it is "interesting" in any meaningful way. How is that different from us? How many Londoners fought in Iraq and Afghanistan? They come from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Yorkshire, Cornwall, Lancs ... the poorer regions. And the US military? Massively overweight in ethnic minorities from lower socio economic groups. So how are the Russians different in any interesting way? Its naturally socially and economically more attractive for people in less developed regions / groups to join the military - in any country

I would similarly be pretty sure that very few of the regular enlisted men in the Peoples Liberation Army come from Shanghai or Beijing as well. Thats just natural forces at play. There are far more attractive economic opportunities available to kids growing up in big cities, that applies equally to whether or not they are British, Russian, Chinese, American or French.
It's been exactly like that since long before Iraq or Afghanistan too. The WW1 and WW2 war memorials in the north of England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland tell their own story. One example of many that was close to my former home: https://www.yorkshire-guide.co.uk/ni...-memorial.aspx

A personal anecdote: My father gave up a marine diesel engineer apprenticeship in a ship yard on the River Clyde in Glasgow in the 1950s because the writing was on the wall: He signed up for 22 years in the British Army instead.

If it wasn't for the Nips
Being so good at building ships
The yards would still be open on the Clyde
(From The Post War Dream by Pink Floyd)
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 21 Aug 2022
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: East Yorkshireman...in the Chum Phae area, Thailand
Posts: 1,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris View Post
He signed up for 22 years in the British Army instead
Been there, done that, loved it!
I can also agree with Colbatch’s sentiment on where the majority of the force come from
I personally don’t hold the Russian Populace accountable, just the regime running it. I tend to try and not take things at face value.

Last edited by Lonerider; 21 Aug 2022 at 18:18.
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 24 Sep 2022
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 141
I am currently in moscow on my bike.

German passport + bike german reg.plate. 30 days Tourist, single entrance.
Documents for visa as required. Health insurane covered by premium membership of
ADAC (German Car Club). Issued within 4 working days, used visa agency.
Passed C19 PCR in Helsinki one day before showing up at border.

Entered from Finland, Vaalimaa. 2022.09.22
Waiting/passing time:
Finland 15 minutes
Russia 90 minutes

No questions asked (both sides) regarding money in/out - just regular russian custom
forms. No C19 check.

As known, no cards working. Get yourself some Rubel before you enter.
Banks in Europe will not help you, I used eBay and russian bus drivers in Helsinki.
No exchange tried in Russia so far.

As all German car insurance agencies I asked refused to cover Russia on a green/white insurance card I helped myself, enhanced an old one using well known software.
No check at the border, not of interest for customs, only needed in traffic check points.
Could not notice any opened border insurance shops.
No advise, you are responsible for yourself.

Things can change quick in these times.
But for now I enjoy
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 24 Sep 2022
chris's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,335
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbla View Post
I am currently in moscow on my bike.

German passport + bike german reg.plate. 30 days Tourist, single entrance.
Documents for visa as required. Health insurane covered by premium membership of
ADAC (German Car Club). Issued within 4 working days, used visa agency.
Passed C19 PCR in Helsinki one day before showing up at border.

Entered from Finland, Vaalimaa. 2022.09.22
Waiting/passing time:
Finland 15 minutes
Russia 90 minutes

No questions asked (both sides) regarding money in/out - just regular russian custom
forms. No C19 check.

As known, no cards working. Get yourself some Rubel before you enter.
Banks in Europe will not help you, I used eBay and russian bus drivers in Helsinki.
No exchange tried in Russia so far.

As all German car insurance agencies I asked refused to cover Russia on a green/white insurance card I helped myself, enhanced an old one using well known software.
No check at the border, not of interest for customs, only needed in traffic check points.
Could not notice any opened border insurance shops.
No advise, you are responsible for yourself.

Things can change quick in these times.
But for now I enjoy
Hey Uwe
What's your itinerary in Russia? Are you heading anywhere near Volgograd? I'm hoping to cross the border around the top of the Caspian Sea, coming from Kazakhstan in less than a week. I have a visa.

Not sure if FB works in Russia, or if you're able to use a VPN to get round any restrictions. We're FB friends and could continue chatting on Messenger there. Or on WhatsApp?

We met in Ulan Bataar in 2012, or was it 2013?

Best
Chris
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 25 Sep 2022
colebatch's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London / Moscow
Posts: 1,913
If you are still in Moscow, let me know. Can do a and advise on exchange if required

Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbla View Post
I am currently in moscow on my bike.

German passport + bike german reg.plate. 30 days Tourist, single entrance.
Documents for visa as required. Health insurane covered by premium membership of
ADAC (German Car Club). Issued within 4 working days, used visa agency.
Passed C19 PCR in Helsinki one day before showing up at border.

Entered from Finland, Vaalimaa. 2022.09.22
Waiting/passing time:
Finland 15 minutes
Russia 90 minutes

No questions asked (both sides) regarding money in/out - just regular russian custom
forms. No C19 check.

As known, no cards working. Get yourself some Rubel before you enter.
Banks in Europe will not help you, I used eBay and russian bus drivers in Helsinki.
No exchange tried in Russia so far.

As all German car insurance agencies I asked refused to cover Russia on a green/white insurance card I helped myself, enhanced an old one using well known software.
No check at the border, not of interest for customs, only needed in traffic check points.
Could not notice any opened border insurance shops.
No advise, you are responsible for yourself.

Things can change quick in these times.
But for now I enjoy
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 26 Sep 2022
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 141
PM sent
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 27 Sep 2022
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tartu, Estonia
Posts: 1,111
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnTyx View Post
The rulers are only in danger when they have to introduce general mobilization and everyone's got a chance of being thrown into a meatgrinder for no good reason.
Welp, they got there. Mass mobilization is announced, and now the Russian authorities are preparing to ban men of military age of leaving the country.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 5 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 5 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Best country to buy Honda Falcon 400 to travel in SA? mahsita South America 6 21 Feb 2014 22:55
THAILAND - Travel advice (safety) kentfallen West and South Asia 1 30 Jan 2014 03:44
Suggest me where to go after S.America! Africa? or Asia country? wkheathjr Route Planning 1 24 Feb 2013 23:18
Adventure Travel Film Festival Australia - Bright Vic 24-26 Feb 2012 Adventure Travel Film Festival Australia HU Travellers Meetings - Australia 23 28 Nov 2012 07:04
Global Giving Field visitor as you travel jcravens Make a Difference 0 11 Nov 2011 21:53

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:21.