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Old 20 Feb 2022
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I don't believe the Ukraine standoff will develop into war. From what I understand of the Russian mindset they regard Ukraine as a sister state not one to occupy and spend decades fighting an insurgency.
To point out the obvious: they HAVE occupied two major regions of Ukraine since 2014.
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You're quite right. The western media is as much of a joke as we're told the Russian media is. It's all propaganda. The HORRENDOUS coverage of the pandemic by the BBC has made me lose all faith with it too. Especially their complicitness to Government corruption and illegality. As soon as Government took charge of it's funding, it's now no better than state news.

I find your Crimean referendum results difficult to swallow. 96% ? I don't trust any vote that comes out of Russia. Putin is a dictator. Opposition is routinely crushed or disappeared. But one can't argue the history of the Crimea or it's inhabitants.
Without seeking to pull the topic even further off topic (!), the history behind all of this goes back way further than the last 75 or 100 years that Ted and TomKat mention.

A very good read that I highly recommend is The Gates of Europe: A History of Ukraine by Serhii Plokhy. A very thorough history, that certainly left me thinking that the current problems are just the latest iteration of problems that have existed for nearly a millenia.

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Let's review:

The subject of this thread--established by the OP and by its location in the North and Central Asia forum--is future travel in relation to the current threat of war and/or sanctions in and around Ukraine. This doesn't include the posting of inflammatory screeds--and responses to inflammatory screeds--about the politics of US, Soviet, U.K., or other countries. Please resist any contrary temptation you may experience, and stick to the topic.

I've placed several posts into moderation, which means they're invisible except to other moderators and Grant. If they disagree with me, the posts might reappear. On the other hand, it's also possible that *more* posts will vanish.

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Let's review:

The subject of this thread--established by the OP and by its location in the North and Central Asia forum--is future travel in relation to the current threat of war and/or sanctions in and around Ukraine. This doesn't include the posting of inflammatory screeds--and responses to inflammatory screeds--about the politics of US, Soviet, U.K., or other countries. Please resist any contrary temptation you may experience, and stick to the topic.

I've placed several posts into moderation, which means they're invisible except to other moderators and Grant. If they disagree with me, the posts might reappear. On the other hand, it's also possible that *more* posts will vanish.

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