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Ever had to change routes due to rallies and riots? I miss the smell of tear gas in the morning.
Again, what does this have to do with the actual discussion about traveling in Russia at the moment.

It is possible and it does not depend on drafts or similar
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Again, what does this have to do with the actual discussion about traveling in Russia at the moment.

It is possible and it does not depend on drafts or similar
Yesterday, September 28, it was recommended that all US citizens leave, especially those with dual citizenship, as being drafted is possible. Never underestimate what can happen.
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Again, what does this have to do with the actual discussion about traveling in Russia at the moment.

It is possible and it does not depend on drafts or similar


Here's the response I wrote just before the forum went down:

Up-to-date knowledge of civil unrest and instability is always relevant to overland travel. For example, I want to know about areas to avoid, activities newly ouside my risk threshold, even subjects I should steer clear of in the presence of inebriated acquaintances. That's as true when it comes to Europe or Asia as it is in Africa, Latin Ameria, or, well, Los Angeles.

What would not be appropriate here is political debate--who's in the wrong, who's in the right, what to do about it, and (sooner or later) which position most closely resembles that of the Nazi party of the 1930s and 1940s.

All of the above IMHO, as usual.

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Here's the response I wrote just before the forum went down:

Up-to-date knowledge of civil unrest and instability is always relevant to overland travel. For example, I want to know about areas to avoid, activities newly ouside my risk threshold, even subjects I should steer clear of in the presence of inebriated acquaintances. That's as true when it comes to Europe or Asia as it is in Africa, Latin Ameria, or, well, Los Angeles.

What would not be appropriate here is political debate--who's in the wrong, who's in the right, what to do about it, and (sooner or later) which position most closely resembles that of the Nazi party of the 1930s and 1940s.

All of the above IMHO, as usual.

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I agree, but it startet with this, and for this was my question.

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During most of the US war in Vietnam, draftees were sent to fight. Protests, riots, political unrest. Nixon cancelled the draft, almost all that stopped. Putin goes from peace at home by using voluntary soldiers to using draftees, all that has started up. For all his faults, Nixon was a genius, Putin is not. I signed up for the Navy to avoid going to the jungle.
And there was draft, but no riots at this time.
Now only small ones in Dagestan.

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Well if your route out of Russia involves Finland or Georgia you had better be prepared for a long wait - because those avoiding the draft are ducking out of Russia.

And a queue is not really something what should be a problem while travelling
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