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Why not buy a bike in Mongolia? Ride around and then resell it there?
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Originally Posted by Zimi
Chris:
If you import the bike to Mongolia, it is possible to go to Russia with it then? I don't really see that there is a problem with it, but better know now.
If you import it to mongolia, it is in mongolia, if you go to russia then, then you have imported it into russia ( it is in your papers when you enter the country )
So it does not help to import it to mongolia, because you have to bring it out from russia again.
I dont want to put the bike in a train to Moscow, I don't have time for this. And I already rode from Switzerland all the way to Mongolia, it's long and boring, now I want to go diretly to the fun parts!!! ;-)
I will contact Sybille from the Oasis, she might help, you are right.
Well, i would not say it is boring, I am also driving all the way to mongolia, but thats another thing.
How do you think she can help you selling the bike in russia?
She can maybe help you import your bike in mongolia, but again, same problem
If you say, you have no time there, then you want to wast your time trying to get your bike cleared by customs and sold it there?
By the time you use for that you might be back with your own bike by driving
kalusmong1:
you didn't exactly understand my plan. I am only going to mongolia, because it's the cheapest way to send a bike from europe (germany). The shipping company is quite near from Switzerland.
My plan is to ride in Russia, the western BAM and the Road of Bones.
So yes, I will enter Russia, and go to Magadan. Sell the bike in Russia if I can, or go back to Mongolia to either sell it or ship it back.
I am thinking more and more about not making a ATA carnet, trying to declare a low value for the bike and pay the tax in Mongolia. Then I am cleared to sell it on my way back if I didn't sell it in Russia.
I understood completely
You go to mongolia, and then to russia.
And you want to sell the bike there.
And for some funny reason you think you import it to mongolia and then go into russia with it.
It seems tome, that you don't understand the problem and don't want to hear what people tell you,
In this case it is up to you to make your own experience.
have fun with that.
And I understand that if I want to sell it in Russia I have to clear the customs.
I have some russian friends, will try to get some help.
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klausmong,
sorry but on one hand you tell me it's not possibe to go from Mongolia to Russia with my bike if I import it in Mongolia, and Chris says it's possible.
I still have my swiss number plate and the bike is registrered in Switzerland. It will not be exported from Switzerland. Like Chris said, it's imported just to be cleared wih Mongolian customs.
in 2011, I entered and exit russia 4 times at 3 different borders, I never had any problem, only showed the paper of my bike and my passport. Why could it not do the same this time?
As long as I don't sell the bike in Russia I won't have any problems with the customs I think.
I know that if I sell the bike in Russia, I need to clear the custom and pay the import tax. I understand this. But I don't need to pay the import tax if I am just traveling in Russia and exiting again in Mongolia.
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Now your bike is imported to switzerland
Then you import it to mongolia.
And you want to sell your imported bike ( in mongolia then ) in russia.
Why not import it to russia?
If you import it to mongolia and to sell it in russia, it makes no difference , you can also import it to China, or maybe Romania.
Wherever you import your bike, it is still nor cleared by russian customs.
and when you travel into russia with an mongolian bike, you still need to clear it, what is the difference if you import it from Mongolia or Switzerland?
I think, it takes you more time to clear it by customs and sell it then, than it takes to ride back.....
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As I had to cancel the whole trip at the last moment for business reason last year, I am going this year.
I have an update about our conversations.
In Switzerland, it's impossible to make an ATA Carnet with a vehicule that has a numberplate. I could only make ATA Carnet with a vehicule without numberplate, and then it would be impossible to enter Russia, because I wouldn't have an insurance.
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Just for me to understand:
Why do you need an ATA Carnet for Russia and Mongolia?
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Hi! It's the company Pan Europa that ships the bike from Germany that recommend using ATA Carnet. It seams to work for Germany, as many did it this way.
The advantage of making an ATA Carnet for Mongolia, is that you don't need to pay the import tax in the country. If your bike is shipped to Mongolia, without a carnet, you HAVE to pay the import taxes. It's not the same as if you come in the country by crossing the border yourself.
We had already a big discussion about it last year, it didn't change.
I will update the thread with my experience this summer
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have you looked at having it shipped to russia instead? you could ship it to Ulan Ude and ride to Ulan Baator in a day. sure, you'd be backtracking a little but it might be easier from a paperwork perspective?
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Yes! I was supposed to ship to Vladivostok with the english guys doind the eastern BAM this year, it was easier and cheaper until the crisis Crimea.. Now they had to change the plans, which include bringing the bikes to Peterburg, and sending by train. I don't have the time for this.
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The guy who drove with me to Ulaanbaatar had his BMW shipped in August 2013 to Austria.
It arrived in February 2014!!!!!!
( I drove back, so I was faster anyway  )
I did not think that you ship your bike to UB when you want to do a Bike travel tour 
I think it is funny, that you don't get a carnet for your bike.
Never heard of that.
I think I will read a blog of a person I know, some swiss guy, who traveled to India with a carnet....
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Hi! It's the company Pan Europa that ships the bike from Germany that recommend using ATA Carnet. It seams to work for Germany, as many did it this way.
The advantage of making an ATA Carnet for Mongolia, is that you don't need to pay the import tax in the country. If your bike is shipped to Mongolia, without a carnet, you HAVE to pay the import taxes. It's not the same as if you come in the country by crossing the border yourself.
We had already a big discussion about it last year, it didn't change.
I will update the thread with my experience this summer
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I have to contradict this information. Pan Europa and more specifically their Mongolian customs agent know jack sh!t about anything. There were 2 German bikers who freighted their bikes in 2013 to Mongolia from Berlin at the Oasis Guest House with a different German shipper. No Ata carnet, no cdp, no import tax, just the same TIP you do at a land border.
I am currently using Pan Europa to ship my bike from Mongolia to Europe. The container is FIVE MONTHS LATE from the timings I was told would apply. I still don't have my bike and cannot recommend PE to anyone.
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So I finally did it. Shipped the bike to Mongolia with Pan Europa. As I was leaving for Russia, I didn't have to pay the import tax in Mongolia, only 60$ fees.
No problem getting out of Mongolia and into Russia.
If anybody is interested to have more information, I made a summary here:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/fro...golia-may-2014
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So I finally did it. Shipped the bike to Mongolia with Pan Europa. As I was leaving for Russia, I didn't have to pay the import tax in Mongolia, only 60$ fees.
No problem getting out of Mongolia and into Russia.
If anybody is interested to have more information, I made a summary here:
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/fro...golia-may-2014 |
Both on my desktop pc (Win7 and Firefox) and my phone (Android and Chrome) I get an "access denied" message, despite being logged on, when I click on the link. Does anyone else have the same issue?
Or maybe PE doesn't want me to see this info? :-)
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Nope. Still doesn't work for me. I've searched the whole site and nothing.
Upon searching the "shipping section" (not part of the HUBB, but on the main HU site) I get some summary numbers
Paid at start: 1200
Paid at destination: 60
Recommended: Yes
Shipment date: Apr 2014
Shipment method: Truck
Distance from searched start point: 0km
Distance of shipment: 6675km
When I click the "more" button, I again get the access denied message.
I'm going to report this to Grant and see if he can get to the bottom of the situation. Having a section that people can't access seems pointless. Visitors won't bother visiting it and why would anyone bother adding information there.
Zimi, maybe you can post your PE/Tamm/UB experiences here on the HUBB too? I'm sure you'd be happy for more people to read of your positive shipping experiences. Hopefully it's just a quick copy/paste.
Well done on getting to Magadan. Your pictures on Facebook brought back some great memories! Are you doing a full Ride Report anywhere?
Greetings to the mighty Uwe too!
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