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have I missed the point?
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Hi Steve
Thanks for both postings, How does that work mate? are russian Ukraine and Kazakhstan visas the same ? I was thinking about multiple entry visas? Or have I missed the point?
also £35 or $60 seems a lot for this run seeing most of it is just camping and gas for the bike in places like Mongolia
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Steve,
You don't need a visa for the Ukraine. You can stay 90 days from the date of arrival. However, Russia and Kazakhstan are different.
Cheers,
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Hi Steve
Thanks for both postings, How does that work mate? are russian Ukraine and Kazakhstan visas the same ? I was thinking about multiple entry visas? Or have I missed the point?
also £35 or $60 seems a lot for this run seeing most of it is just camping and gas for the bike in places like Mongolia
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Quick reply riderbob  thanks
On my GPS software it looks like you go through a little bit of Russia from Kazakhstan into Mongolia, but on my big world wall map it looks like you don’t?
Ukraine through Russia to get into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan through Russia to get into Mongolia = 1 entry 1 exit
Mongolia back through Russia to get back into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan back through Russia to get back into the Ukraine = 1 entry 1 exit
Or have I missed the point?
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Your intinerary is correct. From Russia to Mongolia is much easier that going through China. I'm not up to date on China but I assume it is still difficult to get visas.
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Quick reply riderbob thanks
On my GPS software it looks like you go through a little bit of Russia from Kazakhstan into Mongolia, but on my big world wall map it looks like you don’t?
Ukraine through Russia to get into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan through Russia to get into Mongolia = 1 entry 1 exit
Mongolia back through Russia to get back into Kazakhstan = 1 entry 1 exit
Kazakhstan back through Russia to get back into the Ukraine = 1 entry 1 exit
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Your intinerary is correct. From Russia to Mongolia is much easier that going through China. I'm not up to date on China but I assume it is still difficult to get visas.
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Hi Rob
SteveAttwood says i need a double entry visa for Russia ?
looking at this lot i'd say I was thinking about multiple entry business visas? what you recon m8 ?
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If you avoid the Ukraine and double entry visa will do otherwise you will need more. I travel to Moscow on business fairly regularly and they start on a single entry first (one month), then double entry (three months) and then you can get multiple entry (12 months). I've used the visa for holidays once without any problems.
If you don't go to Russia at all I would start applying for a visa now and work your way upto a 12 month multiple entry. However, it may be simpler that what I've outlined as I've never had a tourist visa as I have never needed one.
Hopefully someone else can chip in.
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Hi Rob
SteveAttwood says i need a double entry visa for Russia ?
looking at this lot i'd say I was thinking about multiple entry business visas? what you recon m8 ?
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£4000 to mongolia n back ?
hi shaun.
i would say 'yes'.
Assuming low cost living - wildcamp and cook yourself.
Visas are large expense. BE CAREFUL ! Russia is fairly easy to get double netry business visa, but it is just that, ie yo have 6 months from first entry to exit and they will only allow a single re-entry within this time. We met many people in Mongolia who 'abused' this and consequently got stuck in mongolia, meaning very VERY expensive to get you and bike home.
if you go via kazak after russia, so europe > russia > kazak > russia > mongolia > russia > europe then that is 3 entries into russia ! i.e. you will require 12 month multi entry for russia as the double entry 6 month is not enough !!!!
you could get to kazak via Caspian sea (i.e ferry), for example through Turkey (amazing) then Georgia & Azerbaijan then ferry. Turkey requires visa £20 at border, georgia, free entry and azerbaijan requires visa (transit is good enough, can get in istanbul or Tbilisi(georgia).
For more details check our pages : Coming this way ?
or contact MOTOEDDE (on hubb) - he came across africa and through to Mongolia on a tight budget, he would i'm sure be able to give you some pretty detailed costs.
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Shaun,.. I hope £4,000 will be OK for you (or £35 per day). Unfortunately we've got a little less than that but we've had good fortune this far. (why do I know that these statements will come back to haunt me) We're setting out in April,.. so if we find anything of value to you,.. it'll be posted on our blog. We've simply duplicated things that lots of others have done before us, .. and then lopped off a few corners.
All the best mate, ......... Geoff
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Hi Steve
Thanks for both postings, How does that work mate? are russian Ukraine and Kazakhstan visas the same ? I was thinking about multiple entry visas? Or have I missed the point?Shaun
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Hi Shaun,
I assumed too much from your first post, you will need a multiple entry visa for this route. No Visa required for Ukraine at this time. Allow for visa costs and time to get them.
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also £35 or $60 seems a lot for this run seeing most of it is just camping and gas for the bike in places like Mongolia
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Feels like you’re trying to negotiate with me
You are going to be covering big miles on this trip; the total fuel costs are going to be high. But I found lots of free camping in Russia and cheap to eat in the road side cafes.
You could do it for less, depends on what luxuries you like. I am just saying the budget looks reasonable.
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Quick question - if you're doing UK to Far East how do you intend to get your bike home? Can you ship home from Vlad or Magadan or would you still be aiming for Japan/Korea as the final destination?
Just back from a trip but there's no way I'm going to let the grass grow under my feet! 
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Quick question - if you're doing UK to Far East how do you intend to get your bike home? Can you ship home from Vlad or Magadan or would you still be aiming for Japan/Korea as the final destination?
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I intend to save the cost of shipping and just ride to Mongolia and back ! well, that’s the plan
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Hi Steve
No mate, not trying to negotiate with you
Was just surprised when you said this amount after the budget section of this site says
"First-tier" countries such as northern Europe, US$60-80 a day and up per person.
and
"Fourth-tier" countries, parts of Africa and Asia, can be done for less, many for less than US$20 day, especially in Asia. But, yes your right fuel is a BIG factor..
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Hi all. If I can jump in here - just what are the recent fuel prices in Russia? I believe it went up some months ago and my reckonings say it's now about 0.35p (GBP) a litre. I'm driving a car across later this year from the UK - not in a rally by the way, just yours truly taking the 'longest road' from St Petersburg to Vladivostok. Plan to then sell the car and get a boat to Japan. Not sure if I'm allowed to do that(?)
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Teflon,
I would total up the expected miles between the UK and Vlad. Presume a bad gas mileage and UK fuel prices. That way you'll be sure to budget enough AND compensate for any exchange difference between the Pound to Euro to Ruble.
HTH
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PS Selling vehicle in mongolia is a lot easier. if you'd like to sell in Russia, contact the HU Community in Vladivostok for information.
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Alternative route
Have you thought about going from Azerbaijan to turkmenistan, then into UZ then KZ near Shymkent, then up into Russia, there are a few good reasons for this and the only real downside is the extra visas, which are well worth the money:
-Almaty is a good place to get the bike sorted before Mongolia
-TM and UZ are fantastic
-TM has the cheapest petrol on the planet
-You will still get to cross Russia on the way back (there isn't that much variation across Siberia anyway...)
You can then either ride over to Irkustk and down into UB, then cross Mongolia going west (easier to find people to cross Mongolia with in UB) or enter at the Western point and head over to UB, then exit to Irkustk.
Double entry tourist visa will do you for Russia on this route
Depending on when you are planning on leaving you might want to do Africa after, that way you can see how much money you have left - I am kicking myself for rushing my time in Central Asia for lack of funds, should have taken more time over it too....
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