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My guess is a judicious use of the right hand.
Yes well maybe

I used one one my old 950 from London to Almaty - ~10,000ks but it looked this at the end all two up riding cant remember if it was a 140 or 150.



I ran a 150 for 13,000ks from Colorado to Victoria Canada, probably could have stretched another 2,000ks out it mostly paved roads (damn snow).

I ran a 140 from Victoria to Anchorage 5,000ks and it ready to replaced, bit disappointed on this one I could have put a Desert on enjoyed the off road sections much more and got the same milage.

I tend max about 110-120kph on pavement and as fast as I can off road - up to 160 if I have the space, but normally 120+.

I may have ridden a little faster on the 140 - and I did get my first flat on this trip (and first for 3 years) on this tyre - strangely the rubber split around the valve stem vulcanisation so there maybe be a lot more movement with the 140.

Richard in the 18" size the 140 has no centre strip the 150 does (from all the tyres I have seen) and on the big Katoom the 150 works much better off road (nearly knobby good on some surfaces).
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Yes well maybe

I used one one my old 950 from London to Almaty - ~10,000ks but it looked this at the end all two up riding cant remember if it was a 140 or 150.



I ran a 150 for 13,000ks from Colorado to Victoria Canada, probably could have stretched another 2,000ks out it mostly paved roads (damn snow).

I ran a 140 from Victoria to Anchorage 5,000ks and it ready to replaced, bit disappointed on this one I could have put a Desert on enjoyed the off road sections much more and got the same milage.

I tend max about 110-120kph on pavement and as fast as I can off road - up to 160 if I have the space, but normally 120+.

I may have ridden a little faster on the 140 - and I did get my first flat on this trip (and first for 3 years) on this tyre - strangely the rubber split around the valve stem vulcanisation so there maybe be a lot more movement with the 140.

Richard in the 18" size the 140 has no centre strip the 150 does (from all the tyres I have seen) and on the big Katoom the 150 works much better off road (nearly knobby good on some surfaces).
Otherwise . . . you ARE a gravitational distortion field. That's TERRIBLE performance. I rode from SF to Anchorage, out to Homer, then out to McCarthy, then to Chicken, then around (via Tok Junction) to Whitehorse and back up the Dempster to the NWT border and finally back to SF. Then to LA, and back to Vancouver. The tire was good for another 2000miles ! At that point it had 11,000 on it.

Again, I'm roughly a 100kg and ride with about 25kgs of gear, no more. Only soft luggage.

So . . . a set of Gobi's and racks weighs . . . 24kgs. Filled . . . another 25-30. A pillion . . . will not speculate. You've likely got a lot more weight over the rear wheel.

My plan is to use a SINGLE K60 from UB to Magadan and back via Mirny/Udachny this summer. That's roughly 13,000kms.

Not sure I agree with the 150 vs 140 for off-road. Typically dirt bike wheels are narrow to provide a long oval contact patch - the better to DIG into dirt. Road wheels are wider to present a rounder contact patch which is useful in cornering and for applying horsepower to acceleration. And the rib in the 150 isn't going to benefit off-road behavior.
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Yeah I know what what yout saying about contact patch just the 150 felt a lot better.
I have switched out the Gobis now for Jeese and have been single seat for this leg of the trip. Tyre life is not much better.
Normally in Australia with no luggage on a fang it trip 3,000 ks is it. Even the stock Scorps only get 6,000 ks being treated nice.

Maybe I had the pressure wrong on the current tyre at some stage. Causing accelerated wear.

Who knows?

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You might have a point about tyre pressure Craig

I was running 150 size tyre at 44psi rear all the time. Only solo but loaded with gear and still got 23,000km which included Mongolia rippio
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You might have a point about tyre pressure Craig

I was running 150 size tyre at 44psi rear all the time. Only solo but loaded with gear and still got 23,000km which included Mongolia rippio
23,000???

Dude thats awesome !!!
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Like I mentioned on FB. There are 3 versions of the K60 scouts. Yours may have been the softer compound. There is one with a hard central strip, no good for off road and another which is ice and snow rated, they are the best I think from memory, don't quote me though
This is a great point .... we really should try to make note of which ones we are using that get the great life ... but I THINK you are right. I think the M&S (matsch und schnee) rated ones are the long lasting ones.
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You might have a point about tyre pressure Craig

I was running 150 size tyre at 44psi rear all the time. Only solo but loaded with gear and still got 23,000km which included Mongolia rippio
44psi ekk no wondered you fell off so much.

37 is about as high as I normally go. I am picking up new set in the next couple of days so will look at them then.

Maybe I should run the pressure up a little, though you carry more stuff than I do (when I don't have Sharon with me). The tire is wearing properly - ie no cupping.
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So I went checked the web on the Heidenau's

The Heidenau websites show.

- K60 Tube Type (TT) in a variety of sizes.
- K60 Scout Tubeless (TL) in a variety of sizes.
- K60 Scout Tube Type (TT) in a variety of sizes.

There is no overlap in sizes between TL and TT and K60 and K60 scouts sizes that I can see. So while yes, there are 3 types of tyres, for a given size there is only one (based on the website data).

Interestingly the thread pattern varies quite a lot based on diameter and profile. The 150/70 - 18 TL I put on my doesn't even match the current images on the website - it had a centre strip but not the chunky one shown on the website.

All the K60 Scouts are M&S rated (again according to the website).

Edit: Just to update this - I picked up new 150/70-18 tyre today - its tread is markedly different than the 150/70-17.
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130/80-17. 140/80-17 and 150/70-17 have different patterns, but 140/80 and 150/70 are very close now (with massive not cutted central raw).
Last year 140/80-17 was different - closet to current 130/80-17 and 150/70-18

Heidenaus ar "Burger tires" - perfect choice for a slow rider without off-road experience. It can take you through off-road sections but not fast OR not safely.

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Heidenaus ar "Burger tires" - perfect choice for a slow rider without off-road experience. It can take you through off-road sections but not fast OR not safely.
I don't know that I agree with this. Yeah they are not a Desert or a Scorp Rally. But I feel as comfortable on these at a160 km/h down a dry gravel road as I have been on 908s. Yes in the wet and snow they are a handful, but their endurance when riding 50/50 stuff more than makes up for that. For 80/20 I would choose a much more aggressive tire.


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