 |
|
10 Jan 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 942
|
|
|
Wanted: RN110 Hilux, Netherlands
Hi
I'm new to the Netherlands and thought I might get some tips here...
I'm looking for a Toyota Hilux RN110L
That's a Left-hand drive 4WD, 1991-97 Xtra cab with the 22-RE 2.4L EFI petrol engine. I do not want a diesel.
I'm looking for one registered in the Netherlands as I expect it will be ruinously expensive to register one here from, say, Germany.
Cars here are ridiculously expensive compared to my native UK!!
I'm looking for one in good condition. I own a mint LN105R and am quite specific about the model I want.
So far I've looked at AutoScout24 – Uw tweedehands auto of occasion kopen en gratis verkopen and Used Cars, New cars, Used vehicles, Cars for sale, Car finder - OOYYO and just see diesels...
Does anyone know where else I might look?
I know this is a rare car, especially in good condition (though they tend to be far better looked-after than in the UK), but I am prepared to wait for a good one. It would be nice to have one by early 2016.
Thanks
EO
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
|
13 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Garopaba do sul, Jaguaruna, SC, Brazil
Posts: 71
|
|
|
Hi,
it shouldn't be a problem to buy one outside of the NL, as you mentioned for example in Germany. It should be straight forward to get it registered there.
I just know that it is no problem the other way, buy in NL and register in Germany. At your search in autoscout24 you can include the countries such as Germany or Belgium in your list.
Groschi
|
13 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
On mobile.de you can choose from 3 or 4
GRTZ,
JP
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 942
|
|
Thanks guys, but NL import taxes are unbelievably high, especially for older, more polluting vehicles  I'll have to look at keeping it registered in Germany.
The one in Poland is the only RN110 and it's a bit tired looking. Last year i did a complete restoration on my diesel Hilux... I don't wish to repeat it!
Also been looking at the slightly more modern and powerful RZN173...
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
Between EU countries no import tax, i don't know where you got this info but it is flauwekul (nonsens).
GRTZ,
JP
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 942
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jervig
Between EU countries no import tax, i don't know where you got this info but it is flauwekul (nonsens).
GRTZ,
JP
|
Perhaps it's not import tax, but there is some kind of tax payment (BPM?) which would be very high (why are used cars in the Netherlands are much more expensive than in Germany, almost double the price that they are in the UK??)
Private motor vehicle and motorcycle tax (bpm)
EO
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
Last edited by eurasiaoverland; 14 Feb 2015 at 15:40.
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
Before the BPM was calculated over catalogue price with different tarifs for B or D engins. It is a registration tax. The amount of BPM to be paid for a used car is totally different from new. You were looking for Toyota B between 1991 and 1997, the bpm to be paid will be 0% or 10% depending on age of the vehicle that you would like to register.
GRTZ,
JP
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 942
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jervig
Before the BPM was calculated over catalogue price with different tarifs for B or D engins. It is a registration tax. The amount of BPM to be paid for a used car is totally different from new. You were looking for Toyota B between 1991 and 1997, the bpm to be paid will be 0% or 10% depending on age of the vehicle that you would like to register.
GRTZ,
JP
|
Thanks for the information, but that doesn't seem to agree with what is written here:
Calculate the bpm for a passenger car
This is nothing about purchase price, it's purely a tax on how polluting the vehicle is. To be honest, this English version of the site is pretty confusing, but I remember working the BPM out for a diesel Hilux, when it became over EUR 20,000 I closed the site and gave up on the idea.
Now let's say the CO2 emissions are 224g per km (this is for the 2.4 petrol Hiace, with the same engine as the RZN173 Hilux), that's at least EUR 12,539 in taxes, probably 200% of the purchase price. And then there will is the 'turnover tax'.... shocking.
The site is confusing though, all the rules seem to be for delivery vans (they keep on about delivery vans for some reason) registered after 2005. But then it says cars over 25 years old pay no bpm (I heard this has recently changed), so that leaves a 15 year grey area...
No wonder everyone cycles here
EO
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
But as a result..................we have the cleanest carpark in the EU, also not so bad.
GRTZ,
JP
There are several websites where you can calculate the BPM on forhand. Best to use is Autotelex, becaus if you a small fee in the end, it will print all the document you need to do the proces of importing.
GRTZ,
JP
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 942
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jervig
But as a result..................we have the cleanest carpark in the EU, also not so bad.
GRTZ,
JP
There are several websites where you can calculate the BPM on forhand. Best to use is Autotelex, becaus if you a small fee in the end, it will print all the document you need to do the proces of importing.
GRTZ,
JP
|
Thanks, but it won't process either model as they are not listed, and there is no CO2 emission data for vehicles of that age.
There are things in the Netherlands that compare favourably to the UK, but anything to do with cars or taxes are not one of them! 
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
|
14 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
Emission is no issue with cars from these years!! What you mean by not listed, I just tried and its working perfect all Hilux types are there.
GRTZ,
JP
|
15 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: My place and other places.
Posts: 172
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jervig
Between EU countries no import tax, i don't know where you got this info but it is flauwekul (nonsens).
GRTZ,
JP
|
Are you having a laugh??
Try importing a vehicle into Ireland from anywhere in the EU for example. Or Spain.
Of course they aren't import taxes, they are 'eco taxes'. Just for you information, in Ireland it s called VRT and is charged on an imaginary 'list price' for the vehicle created by revenue, not even by what the vehicle actually cost.
AFAIK Netherlands is actually a higher tax economy (if such a thing is possible).
Sorry for the hijack.
Would it not be easier to put UK plates on it and avoid all the hassle, thereby leaving your search Europe wide?
|
15 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
The question is how to buy and/or register a car in the Netherlands, I am answering to the question. Sorry but I see no added value in your comment.
As you see in My example for a Hilux of 1993, no taxes has to be payed.
Let me give you a hint:
Check the facts first before you ventilate your opinion!!
GRTZ,
JP
|
15 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Brunei
Posts: 942
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jervig
Emission is no issue with cars from these years!! What you mean by not listed, I just tried and its working perfect all Hilux types are there.
GRTZ,
JP
|
OK, I did look up that model (even though it is the 1.8, the 2.4 is not listed), and reached the same 0. But below it says (translated from Dutch):
This indication is based on the above information, including CO2 emissions and therefore not exact. This indication no rights can be derived. For an accurate calculation of the BPM are required additional data, this can be selected in the subsequent steps.
To me this means that because they have no emissions data, the BPM cannot be calculated?
Surely there is a reason used cars are so expensive here?
For example, a colleague of mine recently bought a 12 year old BMW 316i, 160,000km for EUR 2500 (!). In the UK this car would be £800 ish, and in Germany I doubt it would be more than EUR 1500.
I don't want to start an argument, but I don't believe it will be cheap to import and register a car here, and pay the necessary taxes, whatever they want to call them.
Registering a car abroad is fine, but as I am a NL resident it would be illegal for me to drive it here 
EO
__________________
EurasiaOverland a memoir of one quarter of a million kilometres by road through all of the Former USSR, Western and Southern Asia.
|
15 Feb 2015
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 177
|
|
|
Believe whatever you want to believe. I have been in EU car business all my working life. I im- and exproted over a 10.000 cars in and from The Netherlands and was involved in developping and implementing the current EU laws connected to car trading between EU countries.
And Autotelex uses a disclaimer, not they but the tax authorities decide so the disclaimer is logic.
Succes,
JP
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Next HU Events
ALL Dates subject to change.
2025 Confirmed Events:
- Virginia: April 24-27 2025
- Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
- Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
- CanWest: July 10-13 2025
- Switzerland: Date TBC
- Ecuador: Date TBC
- Romania: Date TBC
- Austria: Sept. 11-14
- California: September 18-21
- France: September 19-21 2025
- Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025
Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!
Questions about an event? Ask here
See all event details
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|
Linear Mode
