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Brazil to Costa rica.. best way to ride?
A friend and i are fairly knew to motorbike travel in foreign lands, and we would like to do a route from brazil -argentina - chile - bolivia - peru...
Does anyone know how much a decent bike would cost in brazil without spending too much money?? (e.g. what brands are most common out there etc..)
Do i need to get visas in advance to all the countries i am visiting?
Is it easy to sell a bike in Peru?
If anyone has any info at all or any tips for my trip, it would be most appreciated..
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In Brasil:
Honda Falcon (400cc) 2000 - about R$7500.00
Yamaha XT 600 2000 - about R$10,000.00
Dont even dream about a BMW over there, far too expensive.
Just tell me what you'd like to know about Brasil and I'll do my best to help!
About the bikes, what exactly are you looking for?
My brother's just bought a XT225 98 there for R$ 4k, I guess you might be after a bigger one!
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Hey,
I was looking for something that is reasonbly big, reliable and cheap, perhaps a 'chopper style' sort of bike, something that would be comfortable to ride over long distances...
I cannot afford anything over 4 thousand reis,
but would have to be bigger than the XT225 98, as i'll need lots of room to carry a tent, sleeping bag, cooking utensils etc...
any ideas?
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oh and one more thing...
What's it like driving in Brazil? Are the roads pretty sound? have you ever driven down to Buenos Aires from Rio?
take care
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Quote:
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I cannot afford anything over 4 thousand reis,
but would have to be bigger than the XT225 98, as i'll need lots of room to carry a tent, sleeping bag, cooking utensils etc...
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Tom,
Mortorbikes in Brasil are very expensive, and you wont get anything bigger than a 350cc for less than R$ 4K.
The other way would be ship your own bike (If you have one).
I've just done a quick search and the cheapest I found (big enough) was a Tenere 600cc 91/91 R$ 7,500.00.
Have you got an address in Brasil?You'll need one to register a bike, however some dealers can sort you out...
When are you going?I'll be there in December and could help you buying the bike and all the docs, if you do it yourself look for a "despachante".
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I love driving/riding in Brasil, some roads can be a bit dangerous (lorries) and potholed but that just gives you some fun 
Yes I did drive from Sao Paulo to Buenos Aires...Enjoy the south of Brasil it's beautiful!
Take it easy
Fernando
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Hey Fernando,
I've looked into shipping a bike, and it looked like it was gonna cost about a 1000 pounds, so i decided it might be better to buy one out in Brazil, and then sell it once i get to Peru or Costa Rica (Havn't decided where i'll finish quite yet)
The Tenere 600cc is sort of thing i was after, and if I work a few extra double shifts before i go out i might be able to afford one, but do you think i would be able to make my money back from it, if it was still in reasonable condition and i sold it in say, Peru?
My friend Jaz, and myself, plan to arrive in Rio 26 / 27 December, so if you were around, that would be extremely cool, as we have no idea how the registration and documentaion works in Brazil, so we need all the help we can get
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I don't think you can sell the bike in Peru, but I'm sure you couldn't buy one in Peru (or Costa Rica) and sell it in Brasil.
You could think about shipping it to Valparaiso (Chile, DONT ship it to Brasil too much hassle) and then ship it back when you finish, at least you know your bike and dont waste your time buying/selling.
I live 100 Km away from Sao Paulo, so if you could land there would be better, however I can ride to Rio to meet up...
Whereabouts in London do you live?I'm in Cambridge now and will be here until June (When my European tour starts, hopefully)
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Unfortunately i don't actually have a working bike myself in England (i used to ride my mates norton but his sister crashed it! - luckily she wasn't hurt but she destroyed a beautiful machine) - i could buy one around september time and would give me a good 3 months to get used to it and then i could ship it but unfortuantely i don't think my budget will allow both both buying a bike and shippin it...
I looked on those links you posted and the CB450 looked promising, it is in my price range and with a few compromises it could well be big enough...
If i buy this bike, or a similiar bike in Brazil, and assume that i will be unable to sell it in Peru or Costa Rica, then i could try to sell it in ecuador, as i heard that selling bikes in Ecuador isn't too hard...
I havn't actually booked any flights yet, so if it was better for you i could fly into Sao Paulo instead of Rio...
i've always wanted to go to Rio, however, so perhaps once i get a bike we could ride up there together?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by fcasado:
Whereabouts in London do you live?I'm in Cambridge now and will be here until June (When my European tour starts, hopefully)
---- I don't actually live in London, live just to the south in a small town called cranbrook, i'm only a couple hours from cambridge though, so perhaps i could ride over sometime and we could discuss all this face to face?
Where abouts in Europe are you going? I've just come back from a trip round Europe myself and could give you some info if you have any questions...
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Tom,
The CB is a very good bike, reliable and should take you around without problems!
To put a bike in your name in Brasil you will have to apply for a "CPF" (kind of tax code)!
It's not too difficult but you must have in mind that it takes time.
You'll also need an address (I can provide) and about R$ 300,00 for the registration number (Yeah, brazilian government steals its people).
About Rio or Sao Paulo...Rio is a wonderful city, but everything is more expensive!
Sao Paulo is easier to get things done.
My trip...
My girlfriend and I are going all around Europe for 4 months...UK to France, Germany, Scandinavia (Northcape), baltics, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Greece, Croatia (Not sure about Serbia, Bosnia) Slovenia, Italy Austria, Switzerland, France again, Spain and Portugal...
Now the main thing is, Im after a minted BMW R11XXGS, I've got £4K so, if you now someone selling one, I'd be intrested!
If you wanna come to Cambridge drop me an e-mail!
Cheers
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Hi Tom,
Selling the bike in Peru is dificult (and iligal).... Selling it in Costa Rica is iligal and imposible (this goes for all central american country's)
You might be able to sell it in Ecuador, but also there it is iligal (it is everywhere).
So keep this in mind if you buy a bike in SA.
Also make sure you can leave the country with your bike.... There are a few country's that won't alow you to leave with the bike (registered to a foreigner) but I think Brasil is no problem with this.
One last thing, if your budget is to tight for a big bike, go for a small one. It's better to have a small bike then a small budget if your on the road. You don't want to mis Iguazu or Angel falls becouse you can't spend the extra dollars....
Good luck! Enjoy!
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Hey,
How long do you think it would take to get this CBF? ~I'm guessing i'll need to have bought the bike first before i apply for it.
But i think i've got the jist of how to purchase a bike in Brazil correct...
Just to recap...
1) Get to Brazil and find bike, perhaps even ask for a reserve on a second hand bike on the website -http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br - before i even go out, so than at least i got something waiting the other end.
2)Once bike is in my possesion apply for the "CPF" tax code...
3) Get the bike registered, for which i'll need an adress for and R$ 300.00...
4) Then i'll need some form of insurance... (how would this work? Would i use a brazillian insurance company for my whole trip or should i try to find some travel insurance company?)
5) Once all the paper work has been done.. kick back and enjoy the ride!!! (And oh of couse getting visas etc... for entering different countries, but i guess i can sort that out before i get out there...)
.... Anything i've missed?
Fernando, your trip round europe sounds cool, but i noticed you weren't so sure about Bosnia or Serbia... If you're looking for somewhere a little bit different, bit off the beaten track, then Bosnia is perfect. I myself was sceptical about going there, but Bosnia was recommended to me by other travellers i met on my trip around europe so me and my travelling mate decided to venture in and we loved it... It is a beautiful place, the reasonbly cheap (I bought a kilogram of mountain grown tobacco there for the equivalent of 5 euros!!) , the people are very fiery, (my mate got kicked in the head, no jokes, beacause he accidently insulted someone) and not so touristy as somewhere like Croatia (which is also a really cool place by the way - i can recommend Dubrovinik - in the old city the pavements are made from polished marble!!!) There are still a lot of political problems - the war only ended about ten years ago - and i found it fascinating but also sad as outsiders to get a look in to their history (the people are very welcoming) - we met one guy who called himself the 'general'- and he told us stories about how he had been a child soldier on the streets of 'Mostar' - he had picked up his first machine gun at the age of 14 - and it was obvious that he had seen a lot of hardship - and only after listening to him did i fully appreciate how lucky i was living in my sheltered, cosy little life in Britain as some people have it pretty bad.
We went to two cities Sarajevo and Mostar. And Sarajevo is now one of my favourite cities in Europe, It's in a valley, surrounded by rugged hills, and is most beautiful early in the morning when a pink mist descends upon the town and one can see the smoke shooting out of old chimneys into the skies above... the place is almosty magical in my opinion!
Well i think i got a bit carried away there, and i do have many more stories to tell about bosnia (even though we were only there for a week!), for instance when my mate and i jumped off the one hundred foot Mostar bridge, or got chased by a skinhead nationalist at 3 in the morning... good memories!
Do i know anyone who is selling
BMW R11XXGS?
I personally don't, but if you havn't done it already you should cheack out the site -- "www.autotrader.co.uk" and you'll probably find one...
Take care,
Tom
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Tom,
Forget about number "4", the other ones are absolutely right...
Insure a motorbike in Brasil is a dream, you hardly will find a company which does it and if you do find one you'll pay twice the bike's value, I know it's ridiculous, but works like that...
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About my bike:
I've checked autotrader, e-bay and ukgser's...I found many...the closest one was 250 miles from Cambridge though!!I'll keep my eye open and should get something by may (the latest)!!
About Bosnia and Serbia...
I thought they were dangerous countries but the main reason is the visa, both embassies are a pain to issue one (because I'm brazilian)...But now I'm more than intrested and should go to the bosnian embassy soon and give it another go!!!
Take care mate
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Tom,
How did you deal with the bike Insurance to Bosnia?
Most of Insurers in UK wont issue you a green card and even if they do so Bosnia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania and Turkey are not covered.
Cheers
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