Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Route Planning
Route Planning Where to go, when, what are the interesting places to see
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 1 Sep 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 29
Cape town - London vs London to Cape Town

hi,

just wondering what is the best time to drive cape town to london or london to cape town, we are flexible in which end we start at as we are shipping from Australia, for a approx 5 month trip which would be the best month weather wise to start at either end.

we hope to leave sometime between August and Nov 2012. Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 4
Hope you get a better responce than I did ! 272 views and no one could be assed to reply !!!!
Good luck
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 1 Sep 2011
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Aus. Qld. Mackay
Posts: 474
Well here is one response : I would start in Cape town, winter in Aug, so you are going to get some great Sunrises/Sunsets etc as there wet season is the same a ours. As you move up should be in Kenya by Oct. it is the wet season in Kenya, Uganda etc. but not to bad I was there around that time last year and thought it was good, as you move into Ethiopia the wet is over and should be great ! Sudan you will be there in Nov/Dec best time of the year because we came thru Sudan in Aug/Sep and it was Hot then Bloody Hot, so should be ideal as the same for Egypt ! Going the reverse is Ok we started end of Aug, but only got 1/2 way to Cape town after 4 mths. But if it suits you the weather isn't to bad, but if you have the choice definitely go Cape Town up.

Cheers
Paul
__________________
....rather Die Living.....than Live Dying !
www.globetrekkers.net.au
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 1 Sep 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wessex, UK
Posts: 2,136
I travelled Cape Town to London taking five months starting August and getting home in time for Christmas. For me it was perfect timing with no rushing and no hanging around anywhere too long, if anything another month to visit Uganda and Rwanda would have been nice but I am not complaining. The weather was excellent, only about five days with any rain and never too hot, a bit cooler in the north and freezing in France.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2 Sep 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 29
Thanks guys,

Well i'm in a bit of a predictement really,

basically my situation is like this

i live in australia (last 8 yrs or so) but am originally from ireland, my plan was to ship my 4wd from Australia to Cape and drive North to ireland. My 4wd is a 1988 Nissan Patrol TD42 engine which owes me and is worth about $9k here, the value of old 4wd's in Australia is ridiculous.

Anyway if i use that car i have spend $5k to ship to Cape town, and then need to ship back from ireland to australia if i am to recover any money on the 4wd otherwise its $9k gone down the drain. A 1988 4wd in Ireland is worthless, only worth money for scrap.

Alternatively i can buy a 4wd in ireland and given the current economic situation you can get unreal vaule for instance i could get a Landcruiser Colorado or 2003 Nissan Patrol for around E3500. ($5k AUD) leaving me E2500 or $3k AUD to spend on getting it ready. All these are available in commerical i.e van models which gives added security. At the end i belive it would cost about STG3k to ship back to UK/ireland about $k or so.

but then i have a 4wd to sell that i may be able to recover some costs on back in ireland i.e sell for say 1500-2500 euro with the patrol they only way to recover anything would be ship back to Oz.

The above figures steer me in the direction of buying a 4wd in Ireland and going from there. the only issue i have is the carnet, is it much easier to get in Australia than Ireland/UK and the crossing from Europe to israel. do the costs outweigh the benifits of the above??

I presume i can use my Australian passport to enter Israel and from this point onward Irish, no one will neve know i was in Israel i.e Sudan will this work?? or will egypt make me stick with the aus passport to enter as i left israel on it and be stuck with that??

Going north this isnt an issue as i'm entering Europe from Israel.

As for departure time i'm sorta but not limited to an august departure (possibly late as jan), really looking for warm weather all the way.

as for buying and prepping the 4wd my brother at home in Ireland will do all that for me he work in plant hire so knows 4wd inside and out so not being over there isnt an issue.


thanks for the replies and any further advice be greatly appreciated.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2 Sep 2011
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Wessex, UK
Posts: 2,136
Be careful juggling passports, visa offices look for a recognisable trail of where you have come from and without one might get suspicious.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 3
Some info for your trip

Hey,

We have just done the trip from London to Cape Town, March to August this year. The timing meant that we missed most rainy seasons (only around 5 day where it rained at all on the entire trip) but we did arrive in South Africa in winter where the weather is unpredictable: some days are 30degC others are 15degC and rainy.
Routing: depends on whether you def want to go thru Isreal or not as we avoided it by travelling Syria and Jordan and getting a ferry the short distance across the red sea to Egypt. This option obviously depends on the political situation in Syria at the time of your travels.
Changing nationalities at borders: I did this a couple of times in Africa although into Egypt was not one of them. Kenya and Zambia are fine with it, Botswana does not allow it at all. You could call the Egyptian embassy and enquire as to whether it would be permitted.
Shipping costs from SA to England: we paid around £3000 per vehicle (2 in a 40ft container) from Cape Town. If you do north to south then check the prices for shipping from Walvis Bay in Namibia: I think TransWorld Shipping does this route.
Driving north to south through the Africa countries we found that border crossings and life in general became much easier as we went: therefore depends on whether you want an easier life at the start or the end of your trip.
If I were to do it again, I would take longer than 5 months to be honest and go for at least 7 or 9.
Something to consider which depends on your mechanical ability: you can get a cheaper vehicle in Ireland/UK and then scrap it in South Africa. We did this with one of our vehicles as the chassis was wrecked by the time we arrived: this saves on shipping costs completely. The purchase price for this vehicle was £900, then we had to fit it out with roof rack, tent, boarding out inside etc and fitting drawers which added to the cost but not to the tune of £3000 shipping equivalent.
We got the carnets fine through the RAC. Something else to note is that if you have a charity connection to your trip then you get a reduction in the carnet costs. Also, the carnet costs are related to the value of the vehicle so the cheaper it is the lower they are.
Whilst I think of it, some border crossings include vehicle taxes which are related to the engine size too: I think Zambia is one of these.
Whichever route you decide, you will have a fab time!
Good luck
Rachel
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2 Sep 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by indianarach View Post
Hey,

We have just done the trip from London to Cape Town, March to August this year. The timing meant that we missed most rainy seasons (only around 5 day where it rained at all on the entire trip) but we did arrive in South Africa in winter where the weather is unpredictable: some days are 30degC others are 15degC and rainy.
Routing: depends on whether you def want to go thru Isreal or not as we avoided it by travelling Syria and Jordan and getting a ferry the short distance across the red sea to Egypt. This option obviously depends on the political situation in Syria at the time of your travels.
Changing nationalities at borders: I did this a couple of times in Africa although into Egypt was not one of them. Kenya and Zambia are fine with it, Botswana does not allow it at all. You could call the Egyptian embassy and enquire as to whether it would be permitted.
Shipping costs from SA to England: we paid around £3000 per vehicle (2 in a 40ft container) from Cape Town. If you do north to south then check the prices for shipping from Walvis Bay in Namibia: I think TransWorld Shipping does this route.
Driving north to south through the Africa countries we found that border crossings and life in general became much easier as we went: therefore depends on whether you want an easier life at the start or the end of your trip.
If I were to do it again, I would take longer than 5 months to be honest and go for at least 7 or 9.
Something to consider which depends on your mechanical ability: you can get a cheaper vehicle in Ireland/UK and then scrap it in South Africa. We did this with one of our vehicles as the chassis was wrecked by the time we arrived: this saves on shipping costs completely. The purchase price for this vehicle was £900, then we had to fit it out with roof rack, tent, boarding out inside etc and fitting drawers which added to the cost but not to the tune of £3000 shipping equivalent.
We got the carnets fine through the RAC. Something else to note is that if you have a charity connection to your trip then you get a reduction in the carnet costs. Also, the carnet costs are related to the value of the vehicle so the cheaper it is the lower they are.
Whilst I think of it, some border crossings include vehicle taxes which are related to the engine size too: I think Zambia is one of these.
Whichever route you decide, you will have a fab time!
Good luck
Rachel

Rachel,

Thank you for your fantastic info, the reasing fo going thru israel is we have found a way of shipping from israel to Italy, means we can avoid syria, obviously if things improve in Syria we can use that option.

So i can scapr the vehicle in south africa and get some paperwork to get carnet money back? thanks for the info on the swapping nationalities but it seems i can enter israel and ask them not to stamp the passport only a slip of paper.

Basically we are left with working out the costs and which one is cheaper, my preference is now for going north to south as we can get a newish vehicle so cheap in Ireland at the moment. My 1988 patrol i know inside and out and they are very simple and relaible many in oz reckon they are better than landcruisers, but a newish vehicle should have even less trouble.

we are looking at around 6 months for the trip main thing is now to work out the best time to depart south and north, and work out the most cost effective way.

Going north to south with a IRL/UK vehicle means avoid expensive insurance for an Oz registered vehicle as well, it does mean i suppose that the most difficult border crossing are at the start. This might scare the girlfriend off it as she is very nervous about going i was hoping to "ease" her into life on the road in Africa by going south to north.

Thanks again for your advice i really appreciate it.

Sorry one other question for ya Rachel, would you be able to tell me what it cost ye roughly per day?? also as a lady ttravelling did you feel safe my girlfriend is worried i'm hoping to more 1st hand advice i get the more comfortable she will be. Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 24 Sep 2011
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by indianarach View Post
Hey,

We have just done the trip from London to Cape Town, March to August this year. The timing meant that we missed most rainy seasons (only around 5 day where it rained at all on the entire trip) but we did arrive in South Africa in winter where the weather is unpredictable: some days are 30degC others are 15degC and rainy.
Routing: depends on whether you def want to go thru Isreal or not as we avoided it by travelling Syria and Jordan and getting a ferry the short distance across the red sea to Egypt. This option obviously depends on the political situation in Syria at the time of your travels.
Changing nationalities at borders: I did this a couple of times in Africa although into Egypt was not one of them. Kenya and Zambia are fine with it, Botswana does not allow it at all. You could call the Egyptian embassy and enquire as to whether it would be permitted.
Shipping costs from SA to England: we paid around £3000 per vehicle (2 in a 40ft container) from Cape Town. If you do north to south then check the prices for shipping from Walvis Bay in Namibia: I think TransWorld Shipping does this route.
Driving north to south through the Africa countries we found that border crossings and life in general became much easier as we went: therefore depends on whether you want an easier life at the start or the end of your trip.
If I were to do it again, I would take longer than 5 months to be honest and go for at least 7 or 9.
Something to consider which depends on your mechanical ability: you can get a cheaper vehicle in Ireland/UK and then scrap it in South Africa. We did this with one of our vehicles as the chassis was wrecked by the time we arrived: this saves on shipping costs completely. The purchase price for this vehicle was £900, then we had to fit it out with roof rack, tent, boarding out inside etc and fitting drawers which added to the cost but not to the tune of £3000 shipping equivalent.
We got the carnets fine through the RAC. Something else to note is that if you have a charity connection to your trip then you get a reduction in the carnet costs. Also, the carnet costs are related to the value of the vehicle so the cheaper it is the lower they are.
Whilst I think of it, some border crossings include vehicle taxes which are related to the engine size too: I think Zambia is one of these.
Whichever route you decide, you will have a fab time!
Good luck
Rachel
Hi Rachel, I'm planning a drive from London to SA in the next year or so, i was hoping maybe you can shed some more light on the Carnet, I'm planning on getting a Defender with a value of about 18k pounds, I've read the documentation but found it confusing when calculating the cost per country. or maybe i am doing it wrong.

I would love to go through israel but i have a saudi arabia visa stamp on my passoport, i heard they dont allow people through with that.

Thanks,
Balzano
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 23 Oct 2011
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Johannesburg South Africa
Posts: 25
Plan according to weather

I used the Michelin 74x series Africa maps that show both the rainfall and temperature patterns for cities on the continent and mapped the relevant details on a calender in the order that I was likely to go.
It was the possible to get a good idea of both the wet and dry spells and plann according to that.

Remember the Sahara gets exceedingly hot in the Northern Hemisphere's summer. I had temperatures of 50 degrees Celsius in Sudan and drank up to 12 liters of water per day when I went through Sudan and Egypt in June 2008.

Have fun planning and doing.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 21 Dec 2011
langebaan sunset's Avatar
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: South Africa
Posts: 91
Our recent trip - London to Cape Town

Hi K974

We just completed London to Cape Town West Coast Route - you can read about it at Latest news / About us - Langebaan Sunset - Stonehenge UK to Cape Town SA - 2010/11

We posted a lot of info on costs, routes and gps tracks and waypoints etc...happy to take more questions

Couple of suggestions:

5 months would suggest you do the East Coast route - The West Coast (which we did) is twice the distance if you go approx around the coast but it would be a shame to be hammering it and simply riding everyday.

The Rand / $ £ rates are good for buying things in Cape Town / JHB right now and having work done on bikes / 4x4s is cheaper here (we are based in cape Town) this is something to consider. Electronic stuff is expensive in SA.

If you go South to North you can take in a lot of SA, Namibia, Bots, Zim and Moz before you start heading up the East coast proper - this could easily take up a minimum of 3 months as there is so much to see and will depend on your budget and what you want to see. Zimbabwe is amazing with empty game parks and friendly people - a real highlight.

Best time is to start is a tricky one - Summer time is hot and you get rain in Nambia etc.... there are a few season planners that are worth looking at - just search for them and then plan your times accordingly

Southern Africa is not cheap - so watch your spending - game parks etc....are expensive. You can wild camp in Botswana and get close to wildlife for free - maybe too close!!! So think about what you want to take in. We found Zim and Moz cheaper.

There is a lot of more commercial overland traffic on the East Coast route - you wont be short of company at the main campsites - we sometimes found this to be a real pain as they tend to make lots of noise and party.... try the routes less traveled and wild camp where poss.

Hope that helps - contact us if you want more info

Cheers

Nick
__________________
Langebaan Sunset - Africa Overland
http://langebaan-sunset.blogspot.co.za/
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
London to Cape Town London to Cape Town Travellers Seeking Travellers 5 15 Jun 2010 19:55
Looking for container space - London to Cape Town and Sydney to Cape Town?? Pumbaa Trip Transport 0 12 Dec 2009 15:26
London to Cape Town vonnymc Route Planning 2 20 Jan 2005 03:35
Cape Town To London kobi Trip Transport 0 23 Apr 2004 02:58
London to Cape Town on a XT Bigmac Travellers Seeking Travellers 5 8 Feb 2002 01:48

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27
Queensland is back! May 2-5
Ecuador June 13-15
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1
CanWest: July 10-13
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:44.