Hi, my kiwi friend!!!

I'm seriuosly considering NZ after listening to Kiri Te Kanawa on Tarakihi.

However, this is THE question:

How do I get there AND then to Australia AND then to South America without being broke a month later?.

Hola from Andorra,

Maybe you want to add one country to your list ?
You have a couch here in my home !

I wish you a very nice rtw trip !

Gracias, cocozz

At least the areas that I´ve got any knowledge of, you generally seem to have it worked out pretty well.... and naturally, the plan is just a plan, that can and will change along the way.

Europe:
I´d still consider doing Scandinavia, especially the Norwegian coast, even though it is a bit expensive, but the vistas are just unreal. It does, however, rain a lot in there, so you´ll need a bit of luck to catch it at a good time... and if your from Spain, it´s not impossibly far to do some time later. If you do go that way, Lapland (north Finland) is also great in the midsummer, when the weather favors you. Norway is definitely more spectacular, but Lapland has its own charm, too. If riding south to Helsinki, I find the eastern part of the country more exciting than the west.

edit. If you go Thessaloniki, dont miss the Meteora monasteries, or the Athos mountain. I might consider going a little bit further south in Greece, too - Santorini was especially great, but requires taking ferries. Might be possible to find a boat to take you to the Turkish coastline from somewhere near Athens, too.

Asia:
China seems to be possible, but needs to be arranged well ahead, and also very expensive, so a short crossing to the KKH makes sense. There´s been some information about Vietnam also being possible just lately, but only if arranged much like China, so a big headache, and lots of money spent. Burma seems nearly impossible.

Going via Iran to Pakistan to India (skipping China & Afghanistan) has been possible, but getting Iranian visa may be a problem for certain passport holders; it´s a great country with wonderful people, and the same goes for Pakistan; you´ll probably monitor the political situation in both countries anyway, before making decisions.

Cambodia, Laos & North Thailand all highly recommended, and do take your time and enjoy. Dont forget to take in some curvy roads around Chiang Mai, too, you just won´t find better roads for motorbikes anywhere!

Indonesia was great, too - we just made a huge mistake, as we only got the 30 day visa-on-arrival. 30 days wont make any justice to that country, it´s one of the most fascinating places I´ve ever been to, and hauntingly beautiful. But going is slow, and when and if the ferries will leave, etc., seemed like anyones guess.

South Africa:
Could be worth doing small detours to Lesotho, Swaziland and maybe also Kruger National Park, it´s very different than Etosha in Namibia, for example. Unfortunately I never had the time to go further north than Inhambane in Mozambique, but the country was fascinating. I´m not sure, if I´d ride all the way through Zimbabwe, I might try to go north to Lake Malawi (havent been there yet, though), and then go to Zambia & Vic Falls. The falls are at their best, when water levels in the Zambezi are high, and it could be worth checking them out from both Zimbabwean and Zambian side, like I did. There´s activities for several days in the falls area. The Okavango Delta could also be worth a detour, if your timing is right. There´s also lots and lots of wonderful places to see further down in Namibia, I´d allow at least a few weeks there.
(But do note, that my info from these southern African countries is from 2001/2002, so this may be partly outdated).

Australia:
The southern part of Western Australia was well worth a visit in my opinion, and everyone kept raving about the Kimberley area (between Darwin & Perth) even though we never had the time to go there (we went east, crossing the Nullarbor)... but that sure would be one hell of a detour, for which you´d need at least several weeks. And parts of the south resembled the Mediterranean to me (the latitudes are similar, too, even though this is southern hemisphere of course), so if your from Spain, I dont know if that´s a good or a bad thing. May be you´ll want to see northern Queensland and other tropical regions more.

Wow, dude, thanks so much for this huge reply.

I've avoided obvious areas because I already know them well (like Scandinavia that you mention).

If I have to be honest, I'm having serious thoughts about Australia, I dunno if, at last, I'll end up going there. It looks way too similar to any European country. I have mixed thoughts about it. Will I get the type of adventure I'm looking for?. Who knows.

China: just five days. My original dream project was through Mongolia and down to Tibet through the east coast of China, but then I started reading. It pisses me off a LOT to have an escort following all my steps just because the government doesn't have self-confidence enough.

Yes, I'm following the political situation in Iran and Pakistan with a lot of worry. I might end up flighting the bike from Kazajstan. In that case, maybe I'll end up jumping to Mongolia and flying form UlanBataar to India, if things get too tense in the middle east.

Africa: I'm still deciding if I shoudh follow east or west coast. I'll keep you posted on that.

Thanks again for your time.

Regarding Australia, I think if you go to its northern regions, you´ll probably feel just as far away from home as you would in equatorial Asia, for example.

Our original plan was to go from Timor Leste to Darwin, but as we were coming from Sumatra and Java, and reached Bali, we heard their president had just been shot, and he narrowly survived, but the situation in East Timor just seemed too unclear, and as I was traveling with my girlfriend I simply felt uneasy taking her there.

So we wimped out - a real shame on the other hand, cos we missed all of Nusa Tenggara then - and freighted by air from Bali to Perth (by Quantas, and VERY expensive, cos went via Melbourne, about 1200 euros just for the freight!!).... once again, if we´d had more time, we could´ve waited for the situation in Dili to calm down, or we could´ve shipped onwards by sea, saving money.

We had the option to go to Darwin, too, but a few Aussies we met in Indonesia, strongly recommended that in March, Perth had better weather. The rainy season had hit the north hard that year, I think. Prices for freight were roughly the same, and for us, Australia was all new, so it didnt really matter. We had only about 5 weeks left, when we arrived in Perth, so could not see but a small part of the country, and couldnt really explore the backroads.

But if you´ve got more time than we had, I think there´s all the adventure you can imagine to be found there. I definitely would not skip Oz - and I´d try to find some time for eastern parts of Indonesia as well. That region is probably not short on adventure, either.

Unless you have unlimited time and money you can't afford to go everywhere, but I think it would be a pity to delete Australia from the itinerary.

Parts of it may be similar to Europe but I haven't seen any European landscape that resembles the Australian outback.

If you can't make it to Australia this time, I strongly suggest you plan to do a separate ride around Australia and NZ some other time. I'm sure you wouldn't be disappointed.

hi saliadarunavuelt
have you considered going through from Kyrgystan to Tajikistan (riding The Pamir Hwy absolutley fantastic ride) then heading tino Uzbekistan and visiting the Registan - then Turkmenistan - Iran - Pakistan - India etc...
We have just done this part ...and so if you have any quesitons on these and other areas send me an email
my contact information is on my website
2ridetheworld.com
we have visited quite a few of the countries you are intersted in seeing....have a read of some of our journal - you may find some useful items and GPS refs on it.
have fun planning - but remember - be flexible!
cheers

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so..have just had another look at your map...unless things have improved dramatically I would strongly advise against attempting the route in the Amazon from Manaus down to Porto Velho on your own.
2ridetheworld.com : diary
have a read of our journal for that part of the trip. Had Simon been on his own he would not have come out alive. It is not an area to be taken lightly.
please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have.

BTW: in Africa motorcycles are not often allowed into National Parks and/or Game reserves. The only country that didn't care whether we went in or not was Uganda.
Take the time to visit Zambia - its a great country.

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Some places are like Europe but in the north and central parts it's a bit different you can ride for hours and not see a soul and in the dry season (March till December) it is about 25-30C every day blue skies cool nights and a billion stars in the sky and the camping is safe and plentiful

here is a few shots from the Pilbara region where I currently live before I head off on my RTW in August only planned the Americas side of thing so far (go to Burning Man Festival in Nevada then ride somewhere, prob south? )

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Lisa,

Thanks for your message, I'd send you a PM soon.

olyflyer, your photos are really cool. For the moment, Australia is in the trip. However, I'm most interested in the human adventure rather than the nature one. I'll keep you posted.

Hi there,

As I see your way after Istanbul is heading north through the eastern part of Bulgaria.So,if you need any assistance here,please feel free to contact me or just drop me a line.

Safe travel and happy trip planing.


Cheers,

Simon

Tx Moni63!

I'll sure contact you for I need advice on a good one-week turkey and a Bulgary's 2/3 days tour

Saliadarunavuelta

Hi there.
Your trip looks really cool. I think you’ll have a blast the next 2 years.

If it was my trip I would rather skip Zim and go from Mozambique into the southern parts of Malawi and then do Zambia. You can still see Vic falls from Zambia’s side and take a helicopter ride at the falls to experience it from both sides. I live in South Africa and know the politics in Zim is bad at the moment. That is the reason I will skip it and rather do Zambia. Don’t get me wrong think it is a beautiful country, just don’t know how safe it is at this point in time.
I’m doing a trip of southern Africa in Aug this year and we skip Zim for the same reason.
Well good luck with the rest of your planning and enjoy your trip!

Well, lucky you. Your map looks great. Here some ideas,

Turkiye, there is a heck of a lot more than just Istanbul. Take the blacksea coast line sea some great scenery great people and few tourist (even better eh). Than you can hit Georgia and Azarbeycan and carry on the tour of stans.
You may be able to catch a ferry from Trabzon across the blacksea and enter Russia via Sochi. Than hook up with your route.

Or go straight through Konya Kapadokia and hit the Dogubeyazit and IRan. Iran may look different on CNN but still I hear only praises from my friensd who rode there.

Pakistan is apparently doable but bad roads and escort police is obligatory.

ANd of course there is misterious and vast Mongolia but tha seems to f your path.

ANd in Istanbul, let us know your have arrived.

Have a great trip