• Eat/Drink/Sleep/Repairs/Misc: 24'000$
• Fuel: 4'000$
• Shipping (Indo to Chile): 2'000$
• Shipping (Colombia to Panama): 1'000$
• Shipping (Canada to Europe): 1'500$
• Flights tickets: 1'200$
• China Crossing: 1'300$
• CDP: 500$
• Visas: 500$
• TOTAL: 35'000$ or so

So that's what I have for now... Would you think it's reasonable enough ? Can I last 500 days on that? Or that would mean camping everyday and saying goodbye to my 6 O'Clock coldbrew?

Thanks a ton![/QUOTE]

• Eat/Drink/Sleep/Repairs/Misc: 24'000$
• Fuel: 4'000$
• Shipping (Indo to Chile): 2'000$
• Shipping (Colombia to Panama): 1'000$
• Shipping (Canada to Europe): 1'500$
• Flights tickets: 1'200$
• China Crossing: 1'300$
• CDP: 500$
• Visas: 500$
• TOTAL: 35'000$ or so

Look up Shannon from smboilerworks.com, she is very interesting re the costs of a RTW trip, it is numbers she uses not opinions.
Be safe and kind

Don't forget insurances; medical, accident, rescue, etc. ,also liability for the bike in every country where you need it and can buy it.

Also, costs for storing your stuff at home, depending on your situation.

As a swiss, if your away for more than one year, don't forget to pay the minimal fee for AHV, not a lot but makes a huge difference one day.
Also check out about unemployment regulations for your return.
Starting live again is also easier if your not totaly broke when you come home.
If riding with swiss number plate, pay insurance and taxes back home or give the plate back and ride with a selfemade plate like many cars do, just remenber that then you ride illegal and might face problems with locally bought insurance, especially in USA/CND.

Also a big amount is to break out of the system, paying all bills, tv, gas/elektricity, taxes and many more...
That was a bad surprise for me, didn't expect that much.


And many more little things...

sushi[/QUOTE]
Excellent advice, you have to come back one day to reality and pick life up where you left its good to have a financial cushion to help and also look at the long term strategy of making sure you pay your social security/tax (AHV)-it may not seem important at 33, but you will be glad you did.
Be safe and kind..

Howdy

Are you running a spreadsheet to record your costs? I am somewhat obsessive compulsive with spreadsheets but they can really identify where efficiencies can be found to lengthen the trip.

Are you 100% committed to taking your own bike, or flexible?

The reason I mention this is prior to covid I began planning our trip OS with a vehicle and the costs were much more than I thought they would be, once everything was recorded. I then did the same without taking a vehicle and the savings were stunning.

This was for a 4wd and a family of four and I expected the transport savings were going to be much better taking the vehicle, but surprisingly those savings were not there, even using public transport for many areas. (you would think 4 in a car would be cheaper than public transport but over the whole trip, not so).
The savings available on Skyscanner website were pretty stunning.

Based on your costs, 16% is just transporting the bike.

Broken down your trip seems to be;

Outer Eurasia
Asia
South East Asia
South America
North America

The outer Eurasia could be done as a loop on your bike. Arrive back home, rest up for a week, and head off with your soft motorcycle luggage to wherever the cheapest flight gets you. Buy a bike that suits the country you are in and use it to do a big loop of wherever you can go with it, arrive back and sell it.

Rinse and repeat.

Just a thought.

And it saves you gifting your bike to that nice border guard in Bolivia when Covid 2.0 strikes;

"Lo enviare, confía en mi"

Whose dollars? Makes a big difference.
We have $ here, but AU$ 1.0 = US$ 0.1 or thereabouts.

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Usually we travellers talk in USD $$$

Good at sample for people from switzerland, because the USD loss 50% of his Value between the year 2000 to today (2020).

https://www.macrotrends.net/2558/us-...storical-chart

Surfy

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Trans-Africa over the west coast

A quick bump since I recieved my new best friend! Name of the beast is EXIA btw

Here are some pictures! No idea how to embed those in the thread, so a link will do.

Starting date for the RTW trip has been moved to June 2023!

Firstly, congratulations on the bike - health to enjoy.
Secondly, here is an excellent website that documents all the finances of the a couple riding the Americas:
https://www.tiger800rtw.com/
Thirdly, this thread got me thinking about RTW routes in relation to finances.

Let’s say you’ve got $35K US.
We know shipping is a big cost, but you want to take your bike??
What are your must see places? - You said you wanted to go to Australia.
Well, from Europe you could go through Mongolia to Vladivostok or through SE Asia. Is one of these a must do? Or Could you just go the cheapest way.
Other must see places? SA? Africa?
Africa entails no shipping from Europe.
The entire Americas involves only one shipment, across the Darien gap but you’ve got to ship there and back.

For me it would be important to put my ‘places’ in order of importance. That way I could do my must dos first and if I run out of money, at least I’ve done them.

Hey thanks for the reply! Bike is sweet but I need time to get used to its size and weight. Big change compared to small SE Asia bike I'm used to driving .

As for the must do on my trip:

• Kyrgystan
• Tadjikistan
• Pakistan
• Northern India
• Nepal

Those are the highest on my excitement tier list for the moment . Good thing is, I don't need to ship the bike to get there. Although I'll have to use the costly guiding transfer through China to reach Pakistan.

After that, I'm looking forward to SE Asia as I just love the place and can't seem to get enough of it.

Australia is really not on my list, too expensive to get there and too expensive to ride through just to see ride some flat arid roads with nothing much around (sorry if I anger some people there hehe).

The plan really is to ship the bike (and myself) from Indonesia directly to Chile if that can be done. Research needs to be done there.

After that, looking forward to do S-America ! But only if money permits it.

Depending on my budget on the departure day, I might opt to stop in Indonesia and ship the bike home. Or even ride back, maybe through Japan/Korea/Russia/Mongolia.

All depends on the money I'll still have when I get to Indo I guess.

For the moment, if all goes perfectly well, I might have 40 to 50k in June 2023. That's with the bike and most of the gear already paid for.

Let's say 40K, would you think it's doable to do the full world trip? including shipping from Asia to S-America, boat ride through the darien gap and ship again from NY/Canada to EU? Difficult to know.

I guess that depends on your lifestyle but it seams like loads to me.
Check out Steph Jeavons amazing book - back by seven. She travelled for 4 years on a tight budget but did loads of amazing things.
Also Graham Field is a master of travelling frugally whilst having a few s.
He bought a bike, rode it to South Korea and shipped it back to the UK for £5K.

I think books are better than you tube videos and blogs for the detail.

Could you ride The Stans and then enter Pakistan from Iran? If possible it might be cheaper than China.

I’m hoping to take off, with my wife in 2023 also, we won’t have 40K each 😂

Bear in mind that shipping costs have gone up a lot recently (blamed on the pandemic). Some routes double, some a lot more.

Ahah indeed, I'm sure it can be done cheap if extremely frugal. Hard to know before I get going.

I know I'll be camping along the way, but I also know myself and I like hostels and sometimes having my own room. I'm planning to edit vlogs along the way, every 3 to 7 days, and this would need me to be some place where I can work/charge etc.

I'm 33 and I also enjoy the social aspect of travel, meeting people, having a few s, going out some days etc. Those add costs pretty quick.

I'll check out the book, sounds like a gem!

Any tips how to find a shipping company on less travelled routes? I know it's not that hard when looking at EU to US or AUS to CHILE, but my plan would be to ship from Indonesia/Bali, or if needed Singapore. There's a bit less info online from those locations.

Or I guess I'll just see how it goes when I'm on site

Have you checked the HU Shipping database?
Might or might not find exactly what you're looking for, but it's the single biggest source of motorcycle shipments anywhere. And when you DO find and make a shipment, please add it in to help everyone else!
Thanks!

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Hello

Depends on what you're looking for, to me Australia is one of the best place to ride a bike.
All those longdistance sand/gravelroads alone with just some roadhouses and the amazing wildlife.
Very easy to travel and not that expencive, if you stay away from the party kids.
Camping with shower every few days and then free under the stars.
Cook yourself, gas adds up when you make distance but over all to me similar than in asia if I look just at the cost per day there.

Once you're already almost there, also not that more expencive do go there, cleaning the bike is the one thing I would not want to do again.

sushi

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