From Luanda to Lisbon

[babujatapatalk]

Hi guys,

Planning a trip from Luanda to Lisbon and searching for advices, recommendations and insights.

Need to manage trip under a 30 days time frame (if fiseable, if not I'll try to manage) on a KTM Adv 1190.







Looking at 2 possible routes.

One line from Angola-Congo-Gabon-Guine-Cameron-Nigeria-Niger and Argelia and another along cost line.



Are Niger and Argelia fiseable? Anyone that could share their experience through this route?

Thank you.

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[PanEuropean]

Best suggestion I can offer is TAAG air freight.

I don't think Algeria ("Argelia ") is open for transit. Security is pretty tight in the south of Algeria, and the country is not tourist-oriented.

Michael

[mika]

Maybe try:

Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Burkina Faso - Mali - Senegal - Mauretania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal

This gives you two days in every country

Get all visas before departure. Ride every day, but never at night. Pray that the KTM wont break down every day.

Good luck.

mika

[babujatapatalk]

Originally Posted by PanEuropean

Best suggestion I can offer is TAAG air freight.



I don't think Algeria ("Argelia ") is open for transit. Security is pretty tight in the south of Algeria, and the country is not tourist-oriented.



Michael

Thank you PanEuropean, much appreciated .



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[babujatapatalk]

Originally Posted by mika

Maybe try:



Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Burkina Faso - Mali - Senegal - Mauretania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal



This gives you two days in every country



Get all visas before departure. Ride every day, but never at night. Pray that the KTM wont break down every day.



Good luck.



mika

Hi Mika, much appreciated.

Will do that.

I think I'll pass by for some local witchdoctor in Luanda before departure

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[PanEuropean]

Originally Posted by mika

Maybe try:

Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Burkina Faso - Mali - Senegal - Mauritania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal

Oh My God, you have to be kidding!

The poor guy would be lucky to complete that route within a year, and would be extraordinarily lucky to complete it without getting robbed, screwed over by corrupt officials, eaten, caught in the middle of someone else's war (Mali), or stuck forever at a border crossing (Mauritania to Morocco comes to mind).

Chances are that it would cost him far, far more money to attempt this route overland than it would to just ship the moto by air freight (or sea freight). An even less expensive alternative would be to sell the moto to someone in Luanda and then buy a new moto in Portugal. It's questionable whether the owner would be able to register a moto originally destined for the African market in Europe due to non-compliance with European emissions regulations. Doesn't matter if the "exact same model" is sold in Europe, if it doesn't have an EC emissions compliance label on the bike, it can't be re-registered in Europe.

I lived & worked in Angola for many years, and from time to time I had to ferry aircraft from Luanda to Europe. Hell, it was enough trouble to pick a route to fly the aircraft along to get to Europe (the aircraft only needed 3 refuelling stops). I simply could not imagine trying to do such a route over the surface.

Michael

[mika]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mika View Post
Maybe try:

Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Burkina Faso - Mali - Senegal - Mauritania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal

Oh My God, you have to be kidding!

The poor guy would be lucky to complete that route within a year, and would be extraordinarily lucky to complete it without getting robbed, screwed over by corrupt officials, eaten, caught in the middle of someone else's war (Mali), or stuck forever at a border crossing (Mauritania to Morocco comes to mind).

Hey PanEuropean,

of course it would be easier and cheaper to fly, but I dont think thats his point here, he wants to ride.

And as you dont know me, of course I would not suggest to do something like this if I would not have done it myself. Of course I didnt do it in 30 days, and I doubt that it is possible to do in 30 days. It took me (and my girlfriend at the time) about five months to ride from Luanda to Europe on two bikes. It wasnt easy, but its doable, and lots of people have done that ... but maybe not in 30 days ;-)

With my post I tried to tell him, that there is a way, but he will need more time to do it. ..... i guess he got that.

Saludos
mika

[Luis]

Originally Posted by mika

Maybe try:

Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Burkina Faso - Mali - Senegal - Mauretania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal

This gives you two days in every country

Get all visas before departure. Ride every day, but never at night. Pray that the KTM wont break down every day.

Good luck.

mika

Without deep research (not even light , why not:

Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Ivory Coast - Guine - Guine-Bissau - Senegal - Mauretania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal

From Guinea-Bissau to Lisboa is (was...) a piece of cake, did it several times... some years ago...

[babujatapatalk]

Originally Posted by PanEuropean

Oh My God, you have to be kidding!

The poor guy would be lucky to complete that route within a year, and would be extraordinarily lucky to complete it without getting robbed, screwed over by corrupt officials, eaten, caught in the middle of someone else's war (Mali), or stuck forever at a border crossing (Mauritania to Morocco comes to mind).

Chances are that it would cost him far, far more money to attempt this route overland than it would to just ship the moto by air freight (or sea freight). An even less expensive alternative would be to sell the moto to someone in Luanda and then buy a new moto in Portugal. It's questionable whether the owner would be able to register a moto originally destined for the African market in Europe due to non-compliance with European emissions regulations. Doesn't matter if the "exact same model" is sold in Europe, if it doesn't have an EC emissions compliance label on the bike, it can't be re-registered in Europe.

I lived & worked in Angola for many years, and from time to time I had to ferry aircraft from Luanda to Europe. Hell, it was enough trouble to pick a route to fly the aircraft along to get to Europe (the aircraft only needed 3 refuelling stops). I simply could not imagine trying to do such a route over the surface.

Michael

Tx PanEuropean.

Plan is to ride and have a good time

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[babujatapatalk]

Originally Posted by mika

Hey PanEuropean,



of course it would be easier and cheaper to fly, but I dont think thats his point here, he wants to ride.



And as you dont know me, of course I would not suggest to do something like this if I would not have done it myself. Of course I didnt do it in 30 days, and I doubt that it is possible to do in 30 days. It took me (and my girlfriend at the time) about five months to ride from Luanda to Europe on two bikes. It wasnt easy, but its doable, and lots of people have done that ... but maybe not in 30 days ;-)



With my post I tried to tell him, that there is a way, but he will need more time to do it. ..... i guess he got that.



Saludos

mika

That must have been awsome
Tx

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[babujatapatalk]

Originally Posted by Luis

Without deep research (not even light , why not:



Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Ivory Coast - Guine - Guine-Bissau - Senegal - Mauretania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal



From Guinea-Bissau to Lisboa is (was...) a piece of cake, did it several times... some years ago...

Hi Luis,

Have you made at the time any post here around any of those trip?

Calling you tomorrow

Tx.

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[Surfy]

Originally Posted by Luis

, why not:

Angola - DRC - Republic of Congo - Gabon - Cameroon - Nigeria - Benin - Togo - Ghana - Ivory Coast - Guine - Guine-Bissau - Senegal - Mauretania - Morocco - Spain - Portugal

I did drive vom Zurich to Capetown in 52 days, with 20`500km and a lot of detours at 2012, did visit Botswana too.

Trans-Africa: Reisetagebuch

Guess your plan is doable, because you did have to drive less kilometers.

I didnt do a resarch about closed borders because of covid - or local riots - that is your part :-)

Doing it quickly is better than not to do a transafrica.

Here is a list of all travellers on the west since 2010: http://transafrica2012.blogspot.com/...unterwegs.html

Probably helpful, because some of the trips was pretty recently.

Surfy

[TheWarden]

I would suggest joining the Overlanding West Africa and Morocco facebook group. Lots of recent info from current travellers in West Africa

Algeria - Niger not possible and dangerous.
Algeria - Mauritania has been done twice this year most recently in July. But it is very difficult to get the necessary authorisations/visa. So far nobody has crossed heading north.

No problems with Morocco - Maurtiania, everything is back to normal for that one.

Mali is questionable security wise now, although there is a recent traveller who risked a visit to Timbuktu against all advice.

[Alanymarce]

Originally Posted by babujatapatalk

Plan is to ride and have a good time

I guess this is the key - if riding alone is having a good time then it's possible although I wouldn't dream of trying it. The way we travel it would take us 9 months or so.

I was in Congo when the 1992 Paris to Cape Town Rally came through, it took them 22 days including 2 rest days to get from Misrata to Cape Town (with a boat crossing from Pointe Noire to Lobito).

[babujatapatalk]

Guys,

Just to update on this route planning...because this project would represent to leave the 1190 in Portugal (where i already have some wheels) and because I will be living in Angola for some more years, i will postponing and prioritising another project in continent that I've been thinking about for some time: a route from Angola to Kilimanjaro and back.

I will be sharing it shortly in another post.

Apprecited for all the useful contributions

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