Hello Man!! thank you so much for the help!!!

ill be landing in Santiago chile in may and i will go straight to Argentina were i want to start my journey and i want to buy a motorbike!!! I'm sooo interested!!! !!!

gusonopa looking forward to meeting you. you are now on the list of many who have expressed interest in buying a motorcycle in Argentina.

We of the Buenos Aires HUBB community will help all we can. stand by for a big update regarding my attempt to persuade the Argentine legislature to review the law that currently prohibits foreign tourists from legally exiting Argentina on their legally purchased and Argentine registered motorcycle.

A woman is flying in from Hong Kong very soon and is in the process pf purchasing a new Honda here. You will not be alone.

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Hello,
I’m Derek from Warsaw. Poland.
Myself and my American-Polish friend from N.Y.C. are planning on a trip in South America starting from Buenos Aires on the beginning of 2010. Thus, we would like to purchase bikes over there if possible.
…now I’m going to read this thread from its beginning… ;-)
Thanks.
"Mucha"

Derek, good plan, a woman is flying in next week, from Hong Kong to buy a new Honda, she will tour Argentina for about 6 weeks and the dealer will buy back her Honda if it is still under Honda warranty 12,000 K.

More adventurers are buying new here in February....

You can do the same, the bigger new bikes here require some advance notice, to be sure the bike is available when you arrive. Plan minimum 2 days to get your "domocilio" police verified residence, and another day to get your CDI (tax number) the dealer will handle getting you a green card, title and plates for the bike - 5 days or less.

And I look forward to meeting you, Elisa and I met because of a man from Poland who was staying at my ranch in the States.

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Christine, a beautiful blond woman originally from Wales, but currently residing in Hong Kong, has arrived in Buenos Aires. She had pre ordered a new Honda from a trusted authorized Honda dealer in Buenos Aires.

Monday: Christine arrives Buenos Aires, checks into her residence, and locates the nearest police station where, with her passport and exact address of her residence applies for a "domocillio," one of the 2 documents required of foreign tourists to purchase a new or used motorcycle in Argentina. Then she rested.

Tuesday: Tuesday was a holiday in Argentina, and Christine toured the city.

Wednesday: Christine's "domocillio" was hand delivered, by police to her residence. She immediately went to the local AFIP office presented her passport and "domocillio," applied for and received a CDI, tax number, the other of the 2 documents required for foreign tourists to purchase an Argentine registered motorcycle.

With "domocillio" "CDI" and passport in hand Christine visited the Honda dealer, inspected her new Honda, that was out of the crate and assembled, paid the dealer and completed all paperwork necessary for an Argentine title, registration, plates and green card. A Gestor, (one who transfers vehiicle titles as a business) employed by the Honda dealer will do all the leg work necessary for the documentation of Christine's motorcycle.

Thurday: Christine has a play day in Buenos Aires

Friday: Christine has another play day and shops for some touring gear.

Saturday: Christine receives a phone call from the Gestor, who advises her that one more signature is needed and he invites her to his office. Christine provides the needed signature and has another play day and night in Buenos Aires.

Sunday: Christine dropped by our apartment and Elisa and I assisted her with route planning and tips for touring Argentina. *Jeff Condon, Globebuster's guide recently arrived Buenos Aires leading a group of 20 BMWs from Alaska also dropped by and helped orient Christine for her upcoming motorcycle tour of Argentina. * 2 years ago we assisted Jeff Condon in purchasing a used Argentine registered bright yellow Citroen 3cv. His story can be read at the beginning of this thread.

Wednesday: Christine will have all paperwork in hand, insure her new Honda and ride it over to a trusted mechanic, who that same day will custom build racks for her gear.

Thursday: Christine will saddle up and begin her tour of Argentina.

As Buenos Aires HUBB Community members, Elisa and I have enjoyed meeting and helping Christine buy new in Buenos Aires. We look forward to many more of you making the decision to buy new or used in Buenos Aires and then touring Argentina.

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It would be interesting to find out costs to compare with shipping your own bike, which is the most common solution. Your report only shows the 10 days time frame.

I d like to get the address of the mechanic who builds custom racks too, i have some work for him.

Vorteks, before answering your question, I commend YOU, CRUZ, mailking, panhandle1300, Bjorn, and Mafra for the wealth of well researched, accurate and interesting information you have provided on CRUZ's thread:

Buenos Aires destination charges ( 1 2 3)

South and central America and Mexico

The thread has been awarded a "sticky" by Grant and Susan founders of HU!

The quality and informative nature of that post is what makes the HUBB very valuable to adventure motorcyclists considering shipping into Buenos Aires.

Thank You.

And, thank you for your past contributions to this thread and your current excellent question.

I will do my best to help you with an analysis of the a cost difference between shipping your own bike into Buenos Aires or legally buying a new or used Argentine registered motorcycle in Buenos Aires.

Horizonsunlimited.com, and rightly so, restricts unapproved advertising, so I will provide a simple, but accurate example of costs for buying anyone of 3 different Argentine registered Honda motorcycles new in Buenos Aires.

Specific comment should be addressed to Elisa or I through our web site: www.Xfiltrate.com - Professional Motorcycle Parking. (also listed below), for which I have been authorized by HU to publish on this and other HUBB threads.

Honda NXR 125cc BROS $3,100.00 USD + $200.00 USD title, plates, taxes, etc.

Honda XR 250cc TORNADO $4,800.00 USD + $300.00 USD title, plates, taxes, etc.

Honda NX 400cc FALCON $7,000.00 USD + $500.00 USD title, plates, taxes, etc.

All three motorcycles are dual purpose and suitable for touring Argentina.

Estimated cost for title, plates, taxes, etc. might be less, but not more!

The trusted Honda dealer has offered a buy back deal if the motorcycle has less than 12,000 K and the buy back occurs within one year of purchase. The dealer will consider the buy back of all new Honda purchases with more than 12,000 K and beyond the one year warranty.

EXAMPLE ONE: Buy a new Honda NX400 FALCON in Buenos Aires, tour Argentina for 3 months and the dealer will buy back the motorcycle for approximately 80% of the purchase price. You pocket approximately $5,600.00 USD of your $7,000.00 cost. Your cost of a new Honda NX 400 FALCON for a 3 month tour of Argentina is approximately $1,400.00 USD.

EXample TWO: if you purchase a new Honda NXR 125 BROS for $3,100.00 USD the dealer will buy it back for approximately $2,500.00 USD and the cost of your new Honda NXR 125 for a 3 month tour of Argentina is only $600.00 USD.

The Honda TRANSALP is no longer manufactured in Spain. It might soon be manufactured in Brazil like the Hondas listed above, and it too will have the advantage of the MERCOSUR trade agreement and be offered in Buenos Aires at a substantially lower price.

Honda parts are readily available throughout Argentina and the cost of repair and parts is substantially lower than it would be for "imported" EU motorcycles.

All new Hondas are sold with a 12,000 K / one year comprehensive warranty, authorized at any Honda dealer.

If you decide to keep your new motorcycle, your Argentine registered motorcycle may be parked/stored in Argentina forever, without any special permit or time limits. You are authorized to leave Argentina without your Argentine registered motorcycle and may legally sell it to an Argentine or to foreign tourists.

Post Script: If it had not been for the Argentine holiday all documentation of Christine's new Honda would have been accomplished within 9 (nine) days, including the weekend!

Please private message me for the name and address of my trusted rack man.

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Ok, to make it concise, if we take the example of the honda 400 compared to shipping a motorcycle :

Buying local and reselling : 10 days and around 2000 USD for less than 12K km. Travelling limited to Argentina.

Bringing your own : 5 days, forth and back around 2000 USD depending on the country of origin. Border crossing illimited. No mileage limit. You might be able to sell your vehicule to reduce cost, but illegal in most countries.

Reasons to buy local : less hassle with transport. More confort.
Reasons to import : More choice of motorcycles. Will to explore the whole continent.

Am i mistaken?

Vortexts, I understand your point of view.

My purpose is to attract an ever increasing number of foreign tourists who purchase a motorcycle/vehicle in Argentina for the purpose of touring Argentina and all of South America.

Today, a foreign tourist can legally purchase a new or used Argentine registered motorcycle and the legally sell to an Argentine, a permanent resident of Argentina or to another foreign tourist. The process of buying new is simple and requires about 10 days.

In Example One, the Honda NX 400 Falcon, I have noticed that to arrive at your figure of $2,000.00, you added the cost of title, plates, taxes etc to the cost $1,400.00 USD cost of the NX 400. In fairness, an imported foreign bike must be registered somewhere, so the cost of title, plates, taxes etc. is a wash and should not be considered in this particular cost analysis.

There is no "milage limit" restriction for a foreign tourist to sell her/his Argentine registered motorcycle. In the examples above the dealer will make an offer, but not promise the buy back of a bike purchased new with more than 12,000 K or one year.

The foreign tourist also has the option of selling the bike on the very hot Buenos Aires market for used bikes with legal documentation, no matter how many K or age of the bike. It is possible to sell a used bike in good condition for 90% or more of the price the foreign tourist paid to buy it used.

Without paying very heavy import taxes, and registering the imported bike in the country of sale, it is not legal for a foreign tourist to sell a foreign registered bike, (USA, EU, Australia, Germany etc) in South America, this by international agreement. Doing so voids all insurance coverage for seller and buyer and is risking criminal prosecution for a number of crimes.

BMWs, and the majority of motorcycles available in Europe or in the United States are available new in Buenos Aires, it is a matter, as always, of money.

As previously explained in this thread.

Current Argentine law/regulations prohibit a foreign tourist from exporting (cross an Argentine border) with her/his legally purchased Argentine registered motorcycle unless an Argentine or permanent resident of Argentina is named on the title as co-owner of the motorcycle. The Argentine or permanent resident of Argentina can legally export an Argentine registered motorcycle (cross a border).

Once the co-owner crosses the motorcycle out of Argentina the foreign tourist can legally be named on the Temporary Vehicle Import Permit of the adjoining country and continue her/his tour of all other South American countries and then legally return the motorcycle to Argentina.

Also described in this thread are my efforts to have the legislature of Argentina re-interpret and change current law/regulations.

Tomorrow, it may well be possible for a foreign tourist to apply for an Argentine Temporary Vehicle Export Permit and tour all of South America without the need for an Argentine or permanent resident of Argentina co-owner. Toward this goal I have documented a large number of foreign tourists who would purchase locally if they could exit Argentina with their Argentine registered motorcycle. I have the endorsement of several motorcycle dealers in Buenos Aires, a couple of legislators and I will keep trying to present the idea to President "Christina" Kirchner. If explained properly, to the government of Argentina, it is logical that these restrictions will be lifted.

Meanwhile, those who plan to explore Argentina by motorcycle during a number of separate vacation visits, can have their Argentine registered motorcycle waiting for them stored/parked in Buenos Aires and hit the road the same day their plane lands or their ship docks. Over and over and over again, forever.

In conclusion, some adventure motorcyclists will ship their bikes, others will buy in country, You and I and others of the HUBB are helping. Thanks

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Eduard
I still have my concerns about the "co-ownership" with an argie.This will bound the argie also as "co-responsable" in case of accident or any kind of legal trouble.I think its not an superficial act to "find! or "hooking" someone here for such enterprise. I have to many "what ifs" on this particular subject.

Also remember that by buying a bike taxes are bounded to a bike too.So storing for ever means having someone with money paying those taxes for you as long the bike is being parked(also extra cost in the end from parking it)......
Maybe Vorteks is having a logical sense here. Importing,riding out and travelling with your trustie bike, going home and show it to friends.
I personaly like more the "old fashioned" traveller who brings his bike with and RTW with it ,instead of the ocationaly tourist who decided to drop by.
Its my personal view,nothing against bike "tourists"....
Karl

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Risks do exist, for both co owners. The american owner of the house where i m staying in Buenos Aires wanted to buy a boat for weekend exploring. For whatever legal reason, he couldnt buy one directly. He offered his gardener co ownership. The gardener prefered to sell and cash the boat than to keep a long term friendly relationship with his employer.

I m not saying that Argentines are dishonest by nature, but this is a harsh environment (3rd world salaries, 1rst world costs in B.As). Necessity sometimes forces people into betrayal.

I have no preference between shipping and a buy back deal. Both have similar costs and risks. You can also leave your bike in a friends place and it might "vanish" too. I m just trying to sum up both solutions advantages and drawbacks.

When i toured Australia, i used Kurt Weider s rental service. I could rent a fully prepared Yamaha XTE for 2000 AUD for up to 6 month, which was 10 AUD/day. I regret rental costs in South America are so high and that nobody ever thought about making a decent offer for mid term travellers.

Vorteks, I am sorry to learn of your friend's loss. Please advise him that Argentine law prohibits his legal Argentine co owner (the gardener) from legally selling the boat without your friend also presenting identification and signing transfer documents.

Unlike many States of the United States and other countries, there is no "or" feature on Argentine vehicle/vessel titles, only "and."

So the boat still legally belongs to your friend and his gardener. Your friend can report the boat stolen. If the boat is recovered by police,your friend is still a legal owner of the boat. Hope this helps.

BCK_973, Argentine law has changed, it is now possible to pay Argentine registered motorcycle taxes on a yearly, not only quarterly basis. I do agree that the foreign tourist owner should learn about Pago Facil and make arrangements for the payment of the motorcycle taxes when they become due.

I am not yet sure where I stand on the ship in or buy in country question. I do know that the presentation of different points of view by those who have on the ground experience is helpful to many who read here.

Thanks

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Good news about Christine, the woman who arrived Buenos Aires from Hong Kong, Monday, 07dec09 2 short weeks ago.

Early Saturday morning 19dec09, she departed Buenos Aires on her brand new Argentine registered Honda. Jeff, an Alaska - Argentina motorcycle guide, escorted her 50 K out of the city and with a "ride hard, ride free" over lander goodbye watched her ride toward the horizon.

She picked up her new Honda with plates and documents Wednesday exactly 10 days after her arrival. She laid over Thursday and Friday while a world class rack man built custom racks for her soft panniers, wet bag etc.

Elisa and I, Buenos Aires HUBB community members and RTW Jeff, enjoyed Christine's company and dinner as her guest at an Armenian restaurant in Buenos Aires. She is delightful.

Christine has posted a message in the Woman's Topics forum "Woman buys new Honda in Buenos Aires" thread regarding her purchase of a new Argentine registered Honda in Buenos Aires.

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Bienvenitos gusonopa, sounds like you did make it to Buenos Aires.

Yes, custom panniers are available in Buenos Aires. Due to the HUBBs logical marketing restrictions I will not say more. You will have to private message me.

Did you buy a bike yet? We of the HUBB Buenos Aires community stand ready to help you, if needed, we are only an e-mail away.

Anything Argentine, including panniers is welcome on this thread. No worries mate.

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Hi All!

I'm a little unclear on something. I know that as a foreigner I can't leave with a legally purchased used Argentine bike. However, an uncle of mine (born and bread in the Argentine) can be a co-owner with me. My question is that when I want to leave, does he have to be there at the border crossing? Also, if driving down south where crossing back and forth would be probable, would that be a problem?

Ed we've been in email contact but I thought I'd drop this note on the forum because I saw you online. I'm sure I'll give you a call soonish though as I'm currently in Venado Tuerto but will be in BA in not too long.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Kelv