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Today I've been reading this thread. Very interesting indeed. As two of my French friends bought a small motor in Salta and crossed into Boliva and Brazil with it. I don't know the exact procedures they went trough, but it took them more than a week, as the papers were not in order. They bought a motorcycle for 500 euro's and for 100 euro's more made a small trailer. When they came back in Argentina, sold the bike for 500 euro's. My understanding of French, let alone reading it is very poor, so I don't know if they have described their buying actions in their blog.... Maybe someone will find this useful as well?
I would like to note, that we did not have our car stamped into our passports in: Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia or Chili, and all have 3 months temporary import documents. We did however extend our 3 months with another 3 months in Brazil, making it upto 6 months total.
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An update and big Thank you for the informative posts
Just an update and comments regarding recent posts.
We are still in Flagstaff, Arizona at our ranch and all are welcome, please private message for GPS and tel numbers. We return to Buenos Aires last week in August. Motorcycle parking is currently available in our parking garage in Recoleta, private message me and I will make arrangements with the manager of the parking garage to admit your bike.
Having been in South America for the 14 months prior to our June return to the ranch, I have to say WE MISS SOUTH AMERICA. We have been fixing up the ranch, having an antique sale and interviewing potential renters.
Edven2r: Since you live and work in BA, perhaps it would be better to drop in on one of the several Driving Schools there. They are well promoted and from what I understand most, who actually work with proper credentials in Argentina, are required to have an Argentine driving permit. This may well be determined by the nature of your immigration status. If you are operating on a 3 month tourist permit and have a "full" valid UK driving permit, I would "guess" you would be legal to ride Argentina. But, please have a chat with a local driving instructor or administrator at a driving school in BA to verify. Thanks for the topic. I am sure it will be of interest to others.
As for buying a bike, DAKARMOTOS will be helpful and please read the opening posts on this thread. I suggest doing your homework before buying to avoid potential transfer of title problems etc.
BCK-973 Darkarmotos is the right HU bunker to visit n in BA. Please give our regards to Javier and e-mail if he or anyone needs anything, parts etc. from the States.
Mailking: great info, keep us posted on your travels and those of your French friends. thanks
Stagbeetle: Great to get the info about Uraguay. Keep posting here. Once it is all sorted out perhaps you could write an overview of the process, with potential problems to be aware of, and post here. thanks for your kind works and words. xfiltrate
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Selling/buying bikes in Argentina
My experience in life has taught me that if you wish to succeed than you should first plan and then execute that plan in a proper manner.
After recently completing my bike trip south, I met an Argentinian who wished to purchase my bike.In our first few minutes of our meeting, he advised me of the possible restrictions placed by the ADUANA ( customs) concerning the sale and transfer of foreign registered bikes within the country.
After discussing the posiibilities and probabilities with various other locals, we were not satisfied that we were getting the accurate details on such a transaction.
To avoid making a decision on second hand information or interpretations offered from unofficial sources, I suggested to my friend that we make a visit to the head office of the ADUANA located in Plaza de Mayo.After speaking with high officials on several visits of about 30 minutes each, we came up with a proposal which was acceptable to the ADUANA , and was within the law.The result is that my Argentinian friend now owns an impressive bike.
I have read Eduardo's blogs , and I will say that for several reasons, I would be most reluctant in going down the route that he suggests.One is that I think it would be stupid to transfer even a portion of the title of your bike in anyone's name.
Second, following my discussions with the ADUANA, I am certain that such a maneouvre as Eddy suggests would be outside of the law.
The final reason is that Eddy is not an official or offers no credentials in this area , and therefore should not be offering advice on this matter.
In one of his blogs, Eddy stses that Mariano of Motorcare located on Avenida Liberator is supportive of his efforts, Actually, Mariano who runs an impressive line of both new and used bikes and servive centre, has serious doubts about any success with Eddy's scheme.
My advice to anyone wishing to enter into a transaction is that first you go to the ADUANA in Plaza de Mayo and fully explain your own situation. Do not be discouraged if you do not get the answer that you desire within the first meeting. Think about the information that has been conveyed to you, think about it, and go back again and again.Do not hesitate to offer different scenarios.They are very nice and understanding people, and, also, just as importantly, they are nobody's fool.
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@Intrepid: Maybe you care to tell us what happened. What was your solution, and will this work for anybody? You say, your solution is within the law, so it should work for anybody? Right?
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Good work Intrepid
It seems like you have found a way to sell a foreign registered bike to an Argentine by discussing the matter with the proper aduana officials, thinking about and following their advice. Good for you. Hope I am understanding what you have done. Am I?
Did you pay the import tax? How was it calulated? Was the bike registered by the new owner in Argentina?
Much has been posted here. Intrepid, Not sure what "scheme" you are concerned about. Could you please be more specific and I will respond with my point of view and legal documentation regarding a wide variety of potential situations posted here.
Are you questioning selling a foreign registered bike in Argentina, buying an Argentine registered bike as a foreign tourist, or riding an Argentine registered bike out of Argentina as a foreign tourist? All of these situations have been discussed here, and please be advised that I too suggest doing your own homework.
Please, keep posting here, what you are learning will be valuable to others.
Thank you for your excellent comments and I, like mailking, look forward to your posts explaining exactly what you have learned from the high officials at the aduana. This might be helpful to others. xfiltrate
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I might have reported it when I was in Formosa last year but...even tho Xfiltrate s experience is interesting to follow, Argentina might not be the best place for a foreign traveller to officially buy a motorcyle for touring South America.
In my experience, Paraguay (Asuncion) would be a much better choice :
You can find a much wider choice of dual purpose bikes since anything can be imported there.
Unfortunatly for Paraguayans, corruption is to be found everywhere, which makes it much more time efficient for people who have actually the means to bribe to get to their goal.
I think I posted the address too but dont have it here anymore. There is a brazilian Honda dealership near the airport that has decently priced dual purpose bikes. The guy is very professional. He might be the best option for buying and reselling a bike in South America.
Edit : searching through my posts, i found the address of the dealership in Asuncion :
Klein Motos
transformacion restauracion y reparacion de motos y jetski
Av Aviadores del Chaco 3220 Asuncion
Fone (021) 660531
kleinmoto@telesurf.com.py
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Let us be Open and Honest, not add to the MYSTERY
Hello, we are very happy to be home in Buenos Aires. Thanks for all the informative posts.
Understanding that individuals posting here might have various agendas, as originator of this thread, I hereby REQUEST that you either post data that helps take the mystery out of the process of a foreign tourist purchasing a motor vehicle in Argeintina or state your actual agenda regarding the reason you want to keep the correct information to yourself or in the hands of a very few....
In this information age, information is power. Earlier in this thread I have explained in great detail the relatively simple processes for a foreign tourist to legally purchase a brand new or used Argentine motor vehicle, and register it, in the foreign tourist name, in Argentina.
After reviewing the previous posts, if anyone has a specific question regarding this process, I will respond with documentation and /or expert opinion. Just ask, please don't attack me or the data I have spent two years collecting.
Intrepid, I have you on the radar, what is your agenda here? Do you want legal motor vehicle transfer processes in Argentina to remain a mystery, and if so for what purpose??? xfiltrate
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