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Selling/buying bikes in Argentina

My experience in life has taught me that if you wish to succeed than you should first plan and then execute that plan in a proper manner.
After recently completing my bike trip south, I met an Argentinian who wished to purchase my bike.In our first few minutes of our meeting, he advised me of the possible restrictions placed by the ADUANA ( customs) concerning the sale and transfer of foreign registered bikes within the country.
After discussing the posiibilities and probabilities with various other locals, we were not satisfied that we were getting the accurate details on such a transaction.
To avoid making a decision on second hand information or interpretations offered from unofficial sources, I suggested to my friend that we make a visit to the head office of the ADUANA located in Plaza de Mayo.After speaking with high officials on several visits of about 30 minutes each, we came up with a proposal which was acceptable to the ADUANA , and was within the law.The result is that my Argentinian friend now owns an impressive bike.
I have read Eduardo's blogs , and I will say that for several reasons, I would be most reluctant in going down the route that he suggests.One is that I think it would be stupid to transfer even a portion of the title of your bike in anyone's name.
Second, following my discussions with the ADUANA, I am certain that such a maneouvre as Eddy suggests would be outside of the law.
The final reason is that Eddy is not an official or offers no credentials in this area , and therefore should not be offering advice on this matter.
In one of his blogs, Eddy stses that Mariano of Motorcare located on Avenida Liberator is supportive of his efforts, Actually, Mariano who runs an impressive line of both new and used bikes and servive centre, has serious doubts about any success with Eddy's scheme.

My advice to anyone wishing to enter into a transaction is that first you go to the ADUANA in Plaza de Mayo and fully explain your own situation. Do not be discouraged if you do not get the answer that you desire within the first meeting. Think about the information that has been conveyed to you, think about it, and go back again and again.Do not hesitate to offer different scenarios.They are very nice and understanding people, and, also, just as importantly, they are nobody's fool.
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@Intrepid: Maybe you care to tell us what happened. What was your solution, and will this work for anybody? You say, your solution is within the law, so it should work for anybody? Right?
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Good work Intrepid

It seems like you have found a way to sell a foreign registered bike to an Argentine by discussing the matter with the proper aduana officials, thinking about and following their advice. Good for you. Hope I am understanding what you have done. Am I?

Did you pay the import tax? How was it calulated? Was the bike registered by the new owner in Argentina?

Much has been posted here. Intrepid, Not sure what "scheme" you are concerned about. Could you please be more specific and I will respond with my point of view and legal documentation regarding a wide variety of potential situations posted here.

Are you questioning selling a foreign registered bike in Argentina, buying an Argentine registered bike as a foreign tourist, or riding an Argentine registered bike out of Argentina as a foreign tourist? All of these situations have been discussed here, and please be advised that I too suggest doing your own homework.

Please, keep posting here, what you are learning will be valuable to others.

Thank you for your excellent comments and I, like mailking, look forward to your posts explaining exactly what you have learned from the high officials at the aduana. This might be helpful to others. xfiltrate
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I might have reported it when I was in Formosa last year but...even tho Xfiltrate s experience is interesting to follow, Argentina might not be the best place for a foreign traveller to officially buy a motorcyle for touring South America.

In my experience, Paraguay (Asuncion) would be a much better choice :

You can find a much wider choice of dual purpose bikes since anything can be imported there.

Unfortunatly for Paraguayans, corruption is to be found everywhere, which makes it much more time efficient for people who have actually the means to bribe to get to their goal.

I think I posted the address too but dont have it here anymore. There is a brazilian Honda dealership near the airport that has decently priced dual purpose bikes. The guy is very professional. He might be the best option for buying and reselling a bike in South America.

Edit : searching through my posts, i found the address of the dealership in Asuncion :

Klein Motos
transformacion restauracion y reparacion de motos y jetski
Av Aviadores del Chaco 3220 Asuncion
Fone (021) 660531
kleinmoto@telesurf.com.py

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Let us be Open and Honest, not add to the MYSTERY

Hello, we are very happy to be home in Buenos Aires. Thanks for all the informative posts.

Understanding that individuals posting here might have various agendas, as originator of this thread, I hereby REQUEST that you either post data that helps take the mystery out of the process of a foreign tourist purchasing a motor vehicle in Argeintina or state your actual agenda regarding the reason you want to keep the correct information to yourself or in the hands of a very few....

In this information age, information is power. Earlier in this thread I have explained in great detail the relatively simple processes for a foreign tourist to legally purchase a brand new or used Argentine motor vehicle, and register it, in the foreign tourist name, in Argentina.

After reviewing the previous posts, if anyone has a specific question regarding this process, I will respond with documentation and /or expert opinion. Just ask, please don't attack me or the data I have spent two years collecting.

Intrepid, I have you on the radar, what is your agenda here? Do you want legal motor vehicle transfer processes in Argentina to remain a mystery, and if so for what purpose??? xfiltrate
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Eddy

There exists considerable scatter on your radar which is obviously affecting your ability as an effective navigator.
If the altitude is causing dizzy spells, iIsuggest that you climb down off your high horse.
What kind of a cowboy are you , anyway?

Your moderate state of paranoia is ,also, affecting your interpretation or intent of my earlier comments.

For the benefit of the other readers of this thread, I will re-iterate that bikers with specific circumstances ought to visit the ADAUNA (customs) at Plaza de Mayo in central Buenos Aires. It would be foolish to not seek out their help.My experience was most satisfying.

I am not a regular visitor to this site.

There is a chance, however, that during a period of idleness and acute curiosity that I may decide to re-vsit.
If I find that you have again thrown more of your surly remarks in my direction, I will get mean.

Bueno suerte, mi amigoes de la autopista.
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Intrepid, your lack of perception is not my problem. All I am saying to you is:

If you found out anything, at all, regarding any of the topics discussed here, please post the information. I agree the aduana is the best source of information regarding several of these topics, and I , myself have submitted requests in writing to aduana officials. When I receive replies , I post the data here.

The basic problem seems to be finding accurate information. I am simply asking you to post any relavant information you may have, many of the readers of this thread are not in Argentina, do not speak Spanish and do not know who to contact in the aduana for the information they need.

The purpose of this thread is to provide the most accurate information available regarding topics addressed. Being on radar is a good thing, it means I am simply looking for more info from you, thanks xfiltrate
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