I have to say here, that when I wanted to sell my bike, this was the first thread I came to, but found it the most confusing peice of writing I have ever read. What a normal traveller wants to know is how to buy and sell a bike down there in SA. NOT all of them care to buy a new bike, but most of them wish to ride that bike beyond that countries border.

All they want to know is the process in buying a used bike that someone else wants to sell. In fact, a buyer and seller normally find eachother quite easy via this website.

This has nothing to do with the import export laws of new bikes. All they need to know is the precise process involved in 'doing' the paperwork that is needed for the bike to enter the country in one bikers name, and leave with another bikers name.

If I had followed the information supplied by the OP, then I would never have been able to sell my bike down there, because all my questions were answered with more involved hard to read answere, which was really hard to understand when you have limited internet access.

So, I guess what this forum needs is a thread that outlines the EXACT processes needed for the deal to go through, even though there are some grey areas involved.

But, is that allowed on this site, or will there be legal issues if the method is mentioned here?

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TravellingStrom

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In the past, this thread and several other other threads, have reflected the confusion discovered regarding the "laws" of buying and selling foreign registered vehicles/motorcycles in Argentina. I accept full responsibility for my comments and apologize for any confusion.

Waterfox, himself, an Agentine registered "despachate" (importer) stated in his recent post: "I am, funily enough, a registered importer with the Argie Aduana and have NO idea of the law....."

Because the actual laws are so confusing, I will no longer respond to questions regarding buying and selling foreign registered vehicles/motorcycles in Argentina.

IMPORTANT NOTE: This is a moral and legal interpretation on my part, and should not be interpreted as anything but my own personal decision.

I will continue to assist anyone, foreign tourists, permanent foreign residents or Argentines interested in buying and selling Argentine registered vehicles/motorcycles in Argentina.

I will continue my work with the Argentine legislature and the President's office regarding the passing of clear legislation that will permit foreign tourists to purchase new or used Argentine vehicles/motorcycles and then be legally able to secure a Temporary Vehicle Export Permit for the purpose of touring other South American countries and returning to Argentina to park or sell their Argentine registered vehicle/motorcycle.

TravellingStrom, hundreds, if not thousands of readers have benefited from this thread. Many foreign tourists have flown into Buenos Aires, legally purchased new or used Argentine registered motorcycles or vehicles and have had fantastic overland experiences. And then, legally sold their Argentine registered motorcycle or vehicle in Argentina or just legally parked in Argentina until their next tour.

Grant has asked me to simplify my comments. I pray this clarification of the new direction of this thread helps.

xfiltrate

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In my opinion what you are suggesting could be a solution most probably, but the Argentinian bikes (due to high import taxes) are much more expensive and only few models are available compared to wide selections of models available in Europe and USA

True - but remember if you want to bring your own bike, you'll pay a lot for shipping it in and out. That can more than cover the difference in price. If you're not "married" to your bike, it's often better/cheaper to arrive, buy anything that rolls, travel and then sell when you leave. And most importantly, you'll sell in the same market you bought - therefore the price is irrelevant, because the only loss is the wear and tear.

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I have responded to a couple of people planning to sell their bikes in B.A after their trips. When I asked how this would occur they either did not know exactly or just knew somebody who had done it.
If there is specific info on the Hubb about the exact process which occurs in this "grey" area transaction I cannot find it.

I doubt it would be illegal to post the step by step process.There is so much information on the Net, a lot of it involving "Grey" area topics.

If it is just a moral decision concerning this site which I certainly respect perhaps somebody who has completed the process can post a step by step instruction on the do's and dont's of foreigners selling to each other in Argentina and post it off site?

Just a thought.

Emauriz, if you buy new or used Argentine registered motorcycles (any brand)in Argentina... manufactured in Brazil or any other *MERCOSUR country, you will avoid expensive import tariffs.

*(MERCOSUR is composed of 4 sovereign member states: Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, and Uruguay, at this writing, I am not sure of the status of Chile)

Examples of new motorcycle costs available today in Buenos Aires...

NEW Honda NX400 Falcon approx: $7,000.00 USD

NEW Honda XR250 Tornado approx: $5000.00 USD

NEW Honda NXR125 Bros approx: $3,000.00

The second hand motorcycle market is booming in Buenos Aires. Many used Argentine registered MERCOSUR country manufactured motorcycles are currently available.

Some reputable dealers in Buenos Aires will offer written buy back deals. A foreign tourist can legally purchase an Argentine registered motorcycle new or used in Argentina and then legally sell that motorcycle in Argentina or park/store in Argentina until their next tour.

The paperwork for a new bike takes about 10 days. Paperwork for buying a used bike is dependent upon the seller's documentation and may shorten or lengthen the stated time required.

If buying new, I would advise ordering your bike from an authorized dealer in advance, to be sure it will be available when you arrive.

Elisa and I both tour on Honda NX400 Falcons (made in Brazil) We bought them new in Buenos Aires.

Elisa also purchased a new Honda XR250 Tornado in Buenos Aires that she traded in toward the NX400.

After more than 65,000 K for the 3 bikes combined, of heavy on and off road touring we have had no mechanical issues other than routine maintenance and routine part replacement! Honda parts for MERCOSUR manufactured Hondas are readily available throughout Argentina.

We did fall several times in the Central Andes - little real damage, broken wind screens, mirrors etc as expected. Racks can be built locally for each of the bikes listed above.

xfiltrate

Note to Grant, Elisa finally arrived from Europe. We will be in contact very soon.

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I still wonder what s the point in going thru the argentine difficult, stressing and expensive administrative mess when you can buy a vehicule in another Mercosur country like Paraguay without any hassle (just a local address). Everything is easier here, no queues at the Airport, tropical weather, somewhat more attentive clerks...It s just like Tango, the art of complicating what could be simple for the sole pleasure of watchers. I m not a follower of Sacher Masoch.

I m puzzled....

Hi Grant
At some point the buying price is relevant.If you buy a cheap chinese crapy bike(you will not end your trip) prices are ok.
Now talking of a mid range bike(500-750)prices start at 5.000 us and end up to 10/14000 US!!!!!!Of course no panniers and racks included.
On top of all you are talking of bikes produced in the mid 90´.Hondas and Yamahas.
Also reselling the bike after the trip is not done that fast.You will need to give it to someone or a shop of trust to get the fair price back.
In all Grant my experience tells me:bring your equiped (known)bike with,pay the shipping price and roll on.Most do only entry or going out shipping from BA.Not a hughe ammount in the end.
For shure is less the paying our domestic prices(a GS 1200 is on the 25000 US)
Karl

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