No TIP required for Brazil anymore!

[Roameo]

Just entered Brazil (June 16/2013) through Foz do Iguacu and as hard as I tried to import my bike temporarily I could not. As of 15 days ago foreigners no longer have to go through customs and temporarily import there bikes. After a long discussion with customs they said a motion was passed (National Identifier # 1361/13) that they are only concerned with vehicles coming from the Mercusor countries (Brazil, Uruguay, Chile Bolivia and Argentina). This means you can now leave your bike in Brazil if you need to head home for a while without concern of it being over extended.

[mika]

Hello Roameo,

thank you for posting this here. It is hard to believe that this is now the official rule for the whole of Brazil. I remember a couple of times, that customs and/or immigration on entering Brazil told me as well that I dont need any paper for the bike. But I always kept running around until I got it. I left three times at Foz, but I never entered Brazil there.

I hope your information is correct and now we can leave our bikes for as long as we want in Brazil.

Maybe if Rodolfo from the BikersHelpDesk in Foz reads this, he can confirm it.

Saludos de Suiza
mika

[charapashanperu]

I am taking a group thru Brazil (with motos from Peru) next summer and would like to know if Peru is considered within the Mercosur (it IS an ASSOCIATE member). Can anyone help with this?

[Iguassu falls Quati]

Hi guys,

thank´s to Roameo for posting this new issue about the permit.

The brazilian Customs(Receita Federal) issued a new normative instruction saying tha that TEMPORARY PERMIT IS NOT NECESSARY ANYMORE, yes, it seems strange but that´s what they are from now on.

Foreigners bikers or drivers are not the focus of the brazilian customs, one of the reasons is that, selling a bike in Brazil is impossible once you can´t register it, of course you´re still able to sell to someone who will buy it to use in a farm or in a privae land, also you could leave your bike in Brazil for indeterminated period of time. But leaving the bike in Brazil still can be tricky, i say this because when you enter in brazil, they stamp your passport and give you a piece of paper with some details and there´s a space for the plate number, so I´m worried that when you leave they ask where´s the vehicle.

But in this case without the temporary permit the situation is much easier if you want to leave your bike for some reason in Brazil, you can have hundreds of excuses, you can say you came into Brazil with someone else in a car or in a bike once there´s no register of this vehicle, only the plate, it could be a bike, car, truck, bus, etc and is leaving by without it. I even don´t think they will ask how you got in.

At the moment I´m storing some bikes for people who will come back and others who left it for sale. I´m based in Iguaçu, Brasil, feel free to make questions and will be happy to contact the customs to get the legal assistance you need ok

All the best

Rod
Bikers Help Desk

[Throttlemeister]

Very interesting, looking forward to hearing more about the first ride, store and fly approach, always nice to have another country in SA to layover in, besides Brasil IS South America

John currently laidover in Caracas and looking forward to getting back into Brasil

[Roameo]

Chara,

all I can tell you is when I got my Insurance for the Mercusor countries. Peru is listed as one of the six countries that I am covered for with one insurance policy (Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Urugauy, Peru). So logic would deem that it is.

[charapashanperu]

Originally Posted by Roameo

Chara,

all I can tell you is when I got my Insurance for the Mercusor countries. Peru is listed as one of the six countries that I am covered for with one insurance policy (Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Urugauy, Peru). So logic would deem that it is.

THX Roameo. I will look into it.

When I traveled to Brazil on a moto, they were VERY proffesional and friendly at all three places I crossed the border. When I left (via Corumba into Bolivia) they the customs/immigration at the border was under construction and not functioning, so we buzzed right over to Bolivia. Do you think that they are still connecting the bikes (that didn't leave the country, theoretically) to the number on my passport?

Toby

[Vorteks]

Originally Posted by Iguassu falls Quati

Hi guys,

thank´s to Roameo for posting this new issue about the permit.

The brazilian Customs(Receita Federal) issued a new normative instruction saying tha that TEMPORARY PERMIT IS NOT NECESSARY ANYMORE, yes, it seems strange but that´s what they are from now on.

Foreigners bikers or drivers are not the focus of the brazilian customs, one of the reasons is that, selling a bike in Brazil is impossible once you can´t register it, of course you´re still able to sell to someone who will buy it to use in a farm or in a privae land, also you could leave your bike in Brazil for indeterminated period of time. But leaving the bike in Brazil still can be tricky, i say this because when you enter in brazil, they stamp your passport and give you a piece of paper with some details and there´s a space for the plate number, so I´m worried that when you leave they ask where´s the vehicle.

But in this case without the temporary permit the situation is much easier if you want to leave your bike for some reason in Brazil, you can have hundreds of excuses, you can say you came into Brazil with someone else in a car or in a bike once there´s no register of this vehicle, only the plate, it could be a bike, car, truck, bus, etc and is leaving by without it. I even don´t think they will ask how you got in.

At the moment I´m storing some bikes for people who will come back and others who left it for sale. I´m based in Iguaçu, Brasil, feel free to make questions and will be happy to contact the customs to get the legal assistance you need ok

All the best

Rod
Bikers Help Desk

After reading other forums, my understanding is different. It seems, like Venezuela, that you vehicle is not linked to your passport, so you have to leave Brazil with your vehicle within your visa time allowance. For European tourists from the Schengen zone for example, this means you and your vehicule have to leave within three month, and can not return to Brazil for the next three month.

This would explain why no special vehicle import paper would be needed anymore. But actually the law became more restrictive, not more laxist, since you cant leave the country without your vehicle. This makes more sense, since the Brazilian administration is not reknown for being laxist

Could you confirm that foreign extra mercosur vehicles are now stamped in the passport, Quati?

[nelik]

Hi everyone,

I'm not sure to have correctly understood what was approved in Brazil

I'm going to explain my situation, please, let me know if, as far as you know, I can enter into Brazil

I'm riding (since end of June) a bike that was bought (last May) in Chile by a friend of mine living in Concepcion.
The bike is still registered to him, since the registration change we have asked at the end of June was *not* approved since they didn't find my visa data ... but being Italian, I don't need any visa, so we applied for it again, but it will arrive in weeks, whilst I need to enter very soon in Brazil.

So far (i.e. Chile, Bolivia, Perù, Ecuador, Colombia) at customs I showed them a notary document stating that my friend approved to let me ride the bike for three months through all those countries, bla bla bla

But it seems that this document is not enough for Brazilian border and needs to be authenticated at Brazilian consulate in Santiago. So now the document is in Santiago, but it will take 10 days to be stamped (!!!) then others days to have it back to Venezuela ... unfortunately, too much time for me

The question is: riding this bike, registrated to a person living in Chile and with Chilean plate and documents, am I entitled/admitted to enter into Brazil through Santa Elena (VNZ) -- Boa Vista (BRA) custom having only that notary document not authenticated in Brasilian consulate?

Please, let me know, it's very important, otherwise I'm very close to decide to sell the bike here in Colombia and proceed to Brazil in airplane

Thanks a lot, who is interested can follow my blog at Nelinkas | Le ruote come le ali … volano in Sud America seguendo sogni e suggestioni

Nelik

[snatchy]

Originally Posted by Vorteks

After reading other forums, my understanding is different. It seems, like Venezuela, that you vehicle is not linked to your passport, so you have to leave Brazil with your vehicle within your visa time allowance. For European tourists from the Schengen zone for example, this means you and your vehicule have to leave within three month, and can not return to Brazil for the next three month.

This would explain why no special vehicle import paper would be needed anymore. But actually the law became more restrictive, not more laxist, since you cant leave the country without your vehicle. This makes more sense, since the Brazilian administration is not reknown for being laxist

Could you confirm that foreign extra mercosur vehicles are now stamped in the passport, Quati?

I may have missunderstood (happens a lot!) but that bit highlighted in red you are confusing me. You say it is not then discuss how it is? It might be worth clarifying what you wrote. Are you referring to Mercosur countries only?

In Venezuela it IS linked to your passport. A one page stamp with entry and required exit dates.
I just went in and out of Brazil again and they were not interested in my bike and nothing is in my passport relating to my bike (Unlike Venezuela). There is that small slip of paper that Brazil gives you when you enter that Quati mentions, but mine was left blank and immigration did not look at my bike in or out.
Of course not every border official at every border acts the same as the others, so maybe we can work out a pattern if a few others post up what happened in their case.

Hi Quati! Thanks for your help a few months ago.

[nelik]

Originally Posted by snatchy

I just went in and out of Brazil again and they were not interested in my bike and nothing is in my passport relating to my bike (Unlike Venezuela). There is that small slip of paper that Brazil gives you when you enter that Quati mentions, but mine was left blank and immigration did not look at my bike in or out.

Hi,
it happened the same to me a couple of days ago entering through Santa Elena de Uairem

great news since I have the problem of the bike registered to a different person

ciao,

Nelik (Nelinkas | Le ruote come le ali … volano in Sud America seguendo sogni e suggestioni)

[Iguassu falls Quati]

Originally Posted by Vorteks

After reading other forums, my understanding is different. It seems, like Venezuela, that you vehicle is not linked to your passport, so you have to leave Brazil with your vehicle within your visa time allowance. For European tourists from the Schengen zone for example, this means you and your vehicule have to leave within three month, and can not return to Brazil for the next three month.

This would explain why no special vehicle import paper would be needed anymore. But actually the law became more restrictive, not more laxist, since you cant leave the country without your vehicle. This makes more sense, since the Brazilian administration is not reknown for being laxist

Could you confirm that foreign extra mercosur vehicles are now stamped in the passport, Quati?

Really sorry guys, haven´t checked the HUBB recently, too many things to do, anyway, let´s try to clarify some situations in a simple way

FIRST - Every tourist from anywhere in the milk way who´s not required visa can enter Brazil and stay for 90 days and renew the stay for another 90 days, you mustrenew your "extra 90 days" before the expired date.

SECOND - When you enter into Brazil drivin/riding, there´s no need anymore of the TIP forthe vehicle, as explained to me from border officers, it´s not worth controlling vehicles entering Brazil once it´s impossible to register an used foreigner vehicle.

THIRD - When you get your passport stamped and they give you the piece of paper with your details, they WILL ask your plate or NOT, it´s mandatory, So the plate in that piece of paper IS NOT officially linked to your passport, that´s a fact. Isay this because I´ve helped bikers leaving Brazil WITHOUT their bikes and they never asked about the vehicle wich the plate is registered in the piece of paper.

FOURTH -MY OPINION - As you´re not obligated to leave the country with the vehicle wich the plate is registered in the piece of paper, I can´t see why someone can consider that the brazilian customs are not being laxist and are being more restrict.
Of course it´s a gap in the law, but believe me, it was a lot of trouble to register a vehicle in a border and then after 3 months when the vehicle leaves the country, the entry information hasn´t arrived in the main office of the Customs in the capital of Brazil and the vechicle has already left.

If you have more doubts about this situations feel free to ask me and I´ll happy to help. If you´re passing by Iguazu just give us shall for a ok.

All the best

Rod
Bikers Help Desk

[gunt86]

Originally Posted by Iguassu falls Quati

SECOND - When you enter into Brazil drivin/riding, there´s no need anymore of the TIP forthe vehicle, as explained to me from border officers, it´s not worth controlling vehicles entering Brazil once it´s impossible to register an used foreigner vehicle.

THIRD - When you get your passport stamped and they give you the piece of paper with your details, they WILL ask your plate or NOT, it´s mandatory, So the plate in that piece of paper IS NOT officially linked to your passport, that´s a fact. Isay this because I´ve helped bikers leaving Brazil WITHOUT their bikes and they never asked about the vehicle wich the plate is registered in the piece of paper.

FOURTH -MY OPINION - As you´re not obligated to leave the country with the vehicle wich the plate is registered in the piece of paper, I can´t see why someone can consider that the brazilian customs are not being laxist and are being more restrict.
Of course it´s a gap in the law, but believe me, it was a lot of trouble to register a vehicle in a border and then after 3 months when the vehicle leaves the country, the entry information hasn´t arrived in the main office of the Customs in the capital of Brazil and the vechicle has already left.

Rod
Bikers Help Desk

I would like to know if it is possible for a car to overstay (1 year or more) in Brasil now. With the new law, what sort of procedures do Brasil customs do on the car upon exit? Does Brasil customs have the entry date of the car in their computer, and do they check it upon exit to make sure it has not over stayed? Because if there are effectively no controls on overstaying, then all these problems people have with temporary parking of vehicles will cease to exit.

[dolickc]

Given this new situation, it fits in very well with my travel plans.
Does anyone know of a safe a secure location to store my bike in the north of Brazil where I can easily fly out and back to Canada? Boa Vista for example.
Presently I leave my moto in Uru and revisit it every year for a few weeks of travel. I will need to ride the bike home either this year or next and basing out of the northern part of SA is attractive. This way I could check out the Guiana's and parts of Ven before leaving SA.

Thanks in advance!

[Iguassu falls Quati]

Originally Posted by gunt86

I would like to know if it is possible for a car to overstay (1 year or more) in Brasil now. With the new law, what sort of procedures do Brasil customs do on the car upon exit? Does Brasil customs have the entry date of the car in their computer, and do they check it upon exit to make sure it has not over stayed? Because if there are effectively no controls on overstaying, then all these problems people have with temporary parking of vehicles will cease to exit.

Since the brazilian government are not issuing or making any kind of control in the entrance of vehicles it's definetly possible to leave a car/bike for as long as necessary. The brazilian customs don't have the details of your vehicle when you enter.

If you enter Brazil driving, the immigration will ask the plate of your vehicle but that's not for Customs control, that's a job for the RECEITA FEDERAL (customs) and as they're not issuing the permit, there's no reason the worry.


At the moment there are few bikes parked at the hostel, but I cancheck about a vehicle. If you need help finding a place or getting more info about this issue. give a shall, i would be happy to help you checking any legal issues straight at the customs office.

All the best

Rod
Iguassu Bikers Hostel | Iguassu Falls Overland Base