Tire choice , want advice

[nickel512]

I will be in Mexico, Central, South America Nov-June. I want to navigate around most large cities preferring rural to urban routes. Yet I want to be safe on wet tarmac at speed. My question is whether to go with a 50/50 dualsport or 80/20, and I will be on a 08' KLR 685

[TravellingStrom]

If you are planning any type of desert crossing, then maybe a more aggressive type of tread, if you are sytaying with paved roads, then maybe a 60-40 or 70-30 would last a lot longer.

Regardless of road, you will be travelling along dirt on some sections, no other way, so whatever feels comfortable for you and your pocket.

I used TKC80's, the tyre of choice on the front, then whatever I could get on the rear, Tourance, Anakee II

Cheers
TS

[Bjorn]

If you want longevity, go for European-made Tourances. With the right tyre pressure they go forever (can't remember exactly but my first rear lasted for about 30000km). Brazilian-made Tourances run down A LOT quicker.

If money isn't an issue: you'll find quality tyres in most countries, so you might as well go knobbly.

On the past 70,000 km, I've never been in a situation where I really NEEDED a knobbly/dual sport. (Though I DID use them – just in case it got muddy, for example on the Pamir Highway).

For long sandy stretches, you'd probably want something more than the TKC80 anyway.
My travel buddy in Paraguay had a Michelin Desert on the rear (on wet tarmac, 300km). When it started to rain, he 'tested' grip for a few minutes to then reduce speed accordingly. We arrived safely that day.

[TorPedro]

I'm 205lbs, and with 75lbs of gear rode a KLR with TKC 80's from Buenos Aires to Ushuaia and north to San Salvador (18,000km) before the rear was done. The front went another 6000kms.

The TKC's were brilliant in dirt, mud and loose gravel. passable in sand and OK on pavement below 110kmh.

The rear was switched to a Michelin Anakee in San Salvador. The Anakee was great on the pavement, but paled in comparison to the balding TKC's on softer terrain.

[Lisa Thomas]

throughout our 7 years on the road we have always used TKC80's. front and back. they have got us through every type of terrain you can think of.
unless you have a truck following you and loads of $$$ for continually changing your tyres in my opinion these are the best tyres to use.

we are not sponsored by continental (although we would dearly love to be!) and we still say they are the best 50/50.

we also think they last too. initially the seem to wear down fast - however they then 'level-out' and harden and we usually get 12000 miles out of them.
but if you are the type of rider who accelerates hard all of the time of course this is not going to be true!

[T.REX63]

Originally Posted by Lisa Thomas

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we also think they last too. initially the seem to wear down fast - however they then 'level-out' and harden and we usually get 12000 miles out of them.
but if you are the type of rider who accelerates hard all of the time of course this is not going to be true!

Wow, 12,000 miles on a set of TKC80... . Of course hard acceleration and stopping will "eat" tires. I found that tarmac and speed kills TKCs too.

Question @ Lisa:
1. What average speeds were y'all doing on wide open tarmac?
2. Anything special about tire pressure that would permit this kind of high mileage?
3. How far down have y'all taken the tire tread when you've reached 12,000 miles?
4. Did you also get 12k miles on the 1100GS with "teeks"?

[markharf]

That's a lot of miles on a TKC rear. I get up to around 7000 miles/11,000 km on the rears--sometimes less--and I'm easy on tires and riding a lighter bike. If I'm hoping for longer life on similar (50-50) terrain I use Kenda 270's instead, but the handling is definitely inferior on pavement. There are lots of other possibilities for the KLR, including the Shinko I've currently got on my rear, but I'm a creature of habit.

In all other respects I agree with Lisa's description. TKC's are the best compromise tires I've found for my purposes. On the other hand, what I usually do is grab whatever fits wherever I am when I need tires. Then I just do my best to make it work....and it generally does. You can get quite crazy trying to find just the right tires for conditions in, say, Belem (where I settled for 80/20 tires right before riding the worst mud and nastiest roads of my recent trip).

Hope that helps.

Mark

[Toyark]

These look interesting for the future-
I am still using Mitas E07 on the Dakar and Heidenau K60's on 1200GS for best compromise.

[T.REX63]

Originally Posted by Bertrand

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I am still using Mitas E07 on the Dakar and Heidenau K60's on 1200GS for best compromise.

The Heidenau K60 is the latest "holy grail" in terms of performance on/off road and tire wear. Are you getting the 150 size (rear) for the 1200GS readily in the UK, or is everybody putting the 140 size on?

In the US we are still waiting for the 150 size. I had direct communication with Heidenau in Germany and they are not making any commitment as to when the US will see the 150 size. The email communication indicated that they had discovered issues with this particular sizes and the new K60-Scout will take care of whatever issues those were.

[Toyark]

fitted the correct size.
personally, I never take chances with steering, brakes and tyres!
Can you post up email re concern? not aware of any but many people ride on those so would be a good heads-up
info on K60 Scout here

[TravellingStrom]

Just a quick note on the Heidenaus, if you are using the 140x80 on the rear. This is only useful for those with Vstroms. The tread depth is quite a few mm higher and along with a lowered bike, I have found many times in the tyres early life, that it rubs the underside of the mudguard and have noticed that it has actually rubbed through into the under seat tray itself.

But the tyres do last, apparently a lot better than the 150x70 anyway

Cheers
TS

[T.REX63]

Originally Posted by Bertrand

fitted the correct size.
personally, I never take chances with steering, brakes and tyres!
Can you post up email re concern? not aware of any but many people ride on those so would be a good heads-up
info on K60 Scout here

Yes, I am with you on correct/approved size of tires, brakes etc.

Here is the Email correspondence I had with Heidenau regarding the US, where DOT is the regulating body regarding tires (Different to UK and Germany):

From: Scheffel
To: Thomas (T.REX63)
Sent: Thu Oct 07 02:08:15 2010
Subject: Re: Motorradreifen Heidenau K60 fuer USA

Hallo Herr Thomas
vielen Dank fuer Ihre Anfrage.

Im Zuge gesetzlicher Neuerungen mussten wir den K60 berarbeiten.
Mit der neuen Version des 150-iger Scout Reifens wurde im Haus mit dem Termin Juni gerechnet.
Bei der praktischen Erprobung des Hinterrades hat sich jedoch herausgestellt, dass der Reifen unseren Anforderungen noch nicht genuegt und wir ihn so nicht auf den Markt bringen koennen.

Momentan sind wir unter Hochdruck dabei die aufgetretenen Maengel abzustellen um den Reifen schnellstmoeglich auf den Markt bringen zu koennen.
Einen neuen Liefertermin moechten wir vorerst nicht herausgeben.

Wenn Sie es wuenschen kann ich Ihre E-mail Adresse aufnehmen und Ihnen sobald der Reifen wieder verfuegbar ist eine Information zukommen lassen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Marco Scheffel
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Subject: Motorradreifen Heidenau K60 fuer USA (05-Okt-2010 20:16)
From: Thomas (T.REX63)
To: verkauf@reifenwerk-heidenau.de

Guten Morgen,
Mit dem Heidenau K60 habt Ihr die Enduro-Welt weit ueber die Grenzen Deutschlands in Aufruhr gebracht. Endlich eine vernuenftige Alternative zum Continental TKC80.

Ich lebe in den USA und muss mich von den dortigen Haendlern (meiner ist Heindl Engineering = hervorragender Service) immer wieder vertroesten lassen, da der K60 in Ausfuehrung 150/70 B 17 M/C M+S, fuer die USA immer noch nicht zu haben ist. Viele 1200GS-Fahrer ziehen die 140er Greossen auf, wovon ich persoenlich nicht so begeistert bin. Die Foren sind voll davon (ADVrider, HUBB, etc.). Es kursieren die spektakulaersten Geruechte.

Daher meine 2-teilige Frage an Sie:

1.Wann koennen die US Dual Sportler damit rechnen das dieser fantastische Reifen in der 150er Groesse endlich ankommt?
2.Was ist der tatschliche Grund fuer diese quaelende Verzoegerung?

Mit herzlichem Gruss aus Atlanta, GA / USA

Thomas

[Toyark]

Thanks for posting T-Rex63 - sadly my German isn't up to scratch and web translators are giving strange results!

I have spoken with the UK's Heidenau's importer and am awaiting to hear from him re the new K60 Scout and will post up.
It seems the Scout is a new tyre with new materials and also something to do with complying with new EU legislation.
As soon as I have his reply, I'll post up so that everyone can have it directly 'from the horse's mouth' so to speak!

[Lisa Thomas]

hi T.REX63
in reply......

Q1. What average speeds were y'all doing on wide open tarmac?
A..around 60 - 80 mph on tarmac - no more.

Q2. Anything special about tire pressure that would permit this kind of high mileage?
A..running them high for tarmac - between 38 -42 psi.

Q3. How far down have y'all taken the tire tread when you've reached 12,000 miles?
A..
to just below legal. ie the knobbles are still visible but the centre is flat! this makes for interesting cornering!

Q4. Did you also get 12k miles on the 1100GS with "teeks"?
A...yep

And....You may be interested to know that I have been able to get just over 20,000 miles on one rear TKC80. Admittidly this was 80% off-road.

[markharf]

Lisa I'm impressed. I've never heard of such high mileage on a TKC, and the only things I see you're doing differently from me are: riding a heavier bike faster than I do, and airing up significantly. If I were getting that kind of mileage, I'd never buy anything else for either of my bikes. Hmmmm.