 |
|
18 Jan 2009
|
 |
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: colombia-ecuador
Posts: 218
|
|
|
Well I don,t know
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linzi
Genuine enquiry Albert. Am I wrong if I think the present Colombian government is a right wing, selfish colonial group prolonging minority power over the majority indiginous disenfranchised? I have long thought the original ideals of FARC were great, then long ago lost in corruption. I also thought many teachers and trades union leaders were still being assasinated by the government. I am not being sarcastic. Linzi.
|
Talking to the Colombians in the street it would appear that the current government,whilst not perfect by any means has changed the country around with at least until the current world crisis,steady economic growth and more importantly a much safer enviroment to live in.
Medellin,once one of the more dangerous places to be is now one of the safest.Considerably more so than Quito the other city I live in.In Medellin for the most part you don,t see the petty crime that is now rife in Quito.
Whilst I,ve been here about 9 months or so now it,s only been good news on the battle against the Farc.
The more they fall by the wayside the safer things become.Especially since the involvment of the neighbours was called into play.They now have nowhere to run!!!
So feel free to attend Colombia Libre 2009! the Riders Rally I,m getting together in November!!!
More details to follow
Al theturtleshead
|
18 Jan 2009
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 619
|
|
|
Ta
Thanks Al, you're fortunate to live in the city of springtime. Linzi.
|
18 Jan 2009
|
|
Contributing Member
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Colorado, USA
Posts: 72
|
|
|
I had a chance to talk at length with several Colombians when I was in Bogota, and without exception they were all in favor of the current government's actions. Of course, I didn't talk to everyone.
|
18 Jan 2009
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 619
|
|
|
You may have lived half your life in the UK but...I cannot make any sense of your English translation. Sorry. Linzi.
|
18 Jan 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: France
Posts: 312
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linzi
You may have lived half your life in the UK but...I cannot make any sense of your English translation. Sorry. Linzi.
|
I m always surprised by the arrogance of some anglo saxon natives, a kind of cultural pride based on nothing tangible except the nostalgy of an extinct colonial past.
I was also surprised how little they were interested in learning spanish while travelling in South America, as if everybody should naturally understand their gimmick worldwide.
Let s hope that our controversial shoe string veteran travellers will benefit from argentines natural generosity and curiosity for foreigners to open themselves to the culture and the language, and that locals will be more indulgent with their spanish than Linzi when they speak his language. 
And yes the Che frenzy after the film can be felt as pathetic and an oversimplification of the complex mixture of influences that built their culture, just like tango tourist traps. I was surprised to see how some of my local friends reacted negatively while i was playing "don t cry for me Argentina". Holliywood junk clichés that can irritate when repeated too often.
I perfectly understood you, Waterfox
Last edited by Vorteks; 19 Jan 2009 at 00:22.
|
19 Jan 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: colombia-ecuador
Posts: 218
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
Hi Waterfox
The lingua franca of this forum is English, so please use that. Please translate this into English or it'll be deleted. I've just put the text into a translation program and despite the software's failings, it doesn't sound very nice. The overriding majority of people on the HUBB are civil to each other.
Thanks
Chris
PS. I imagine you and the Norton chaps won't be meeting up.
|
As a Spanish speaker I wouldn,t call this offensive at all.
Also it,s one thing being offered hospitality,it,s another thing blatently asking for it.
These guys should at least have the common sense to wait to be offered something.
If they are not a pair of dickwits the hospitality would have been forthcoming!!!
Al theturtleshead
|
19 Jan 2009
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 619
|
|
|
Rudeness
Waterfox, in future when you want to be rude, do so in public, not by private message. Learn to use punctuation and your writing will possibly make sense. Without it, no chance. Sorry. Lindsay.
|
19 Jan 2009
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 619
|
|
|
Vorteks
You are wrong in all you say. I am not anglo saxon. I speak German. If you are always amazed, perhaps you're doing something wrong. I am not amazed at what you mention. But it does irritate me. You've got the wrong target though and I have never been to Argentina. Linzi.
|
19 Jan 2009
|
 |
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,335
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterfox
Chris: there is no mention of this in the the board rules.....
|
Gut, dann koennen wir uns ja auch auf Deutsch unterhalten: Viele Sachen stehen nicht in den Regeln, aber da 99.99% aller Mitteilungen im HUBB auf Englisch sind, kann man wohl doch annehmen, dass die HU-Sprache Englisch ist. Oder?
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterfox
Being a bit bossy are we???
|
Yep. I have volunteered to help deal with others' childish behaviour.
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterfox
I´ve translated, but not happy to be told to.
|
Tough, deal with it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by waterfox
PS. I imagine you and the Norton chaps won't be meeting up. Thanks to you stirring things up, not likely cheers
|
Have a nice day.
Chris (Not the only cunning linguist amongst us)
|
3 Feb 2009
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Santiago, Chile
Posts: 6
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by albert crutcher
If they are not a pair of dickwits the hospitality would have been forthcoming!!!
Al theturtleshead
|
As, much as I hate to revive this thread, I can't ignore your insult.
Perhaps, as a Spanish speaker, your English is somewhat suspect and no insult was intended.
However, if it really was your intention to call us 'dickwits; I would very much like to meet with you and discuss this face to face.
Pete
|
3 Feb 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Shropshire, Blighty
Posts: 346
|
|
|
Leave it!
Have you had a few scoops?
He is also a Scottish speaker. You can find him in Medellin, probably in Poblado, but I wouldn't let the cantanquerous old git wind you up.
By the way, the offer is still valid, probably in Santa Marta. To stand on the northernmost tip of South America was their dream afterall!
Buena Suerte.
This is a good place with good people. Try some more...
PS: You are doing a whole let better than I thought you would: Revolution Road
__________________
How much does a man live, after all?
Does he live a thousand days, or one only?
For a week, or several centuries?
How long does a man spend dying?
What does it mean to say “forever”? - Pablo Neruda
Last edited by Stretcher Monkey; 3 Feb 2009 at 06:08.
|
3 Feb 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: GOC
Posts: 3,335
|
|
|
Hi Pete
Take Stretcher Monkey's advice and ignore Mr Al theturtleshead. You really don't want to cloud your judgement of the people of South America by coming into contact with his troll-like tendencies. Furthermore, there are many great people on the HUBB and there are always exceptions that prove the rule.
Enjoy your trip.
cheers
Chris
PS. I considered removing the offending post, but though it summed up Al just right.
PPS: There's a feature on the the HUBB software that allows you to put people on your "buddy" list. There's also an "ignore" list.
|
4 Feb 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: colombia-ecuador
Posts: 218
|
|
|
Real people and Hospitality
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris
Hi Pete
Take Stretcher Monkey's advice and ignore Mr Al theturtleshead. You really don't want to cloud your judgement of the people of South America by coming into contact with his troll-like tendencies. Furthermore, there are many great people on the HUBB and there are always exceptions that prove the rule.
Enjoy your trip.
cheers
Chris
PS. I considered removing the offending post, but though it summed up Al just right.
PPS: There's a feature on the the HUBB software that allows you to put people on your "buddy" list. There's also an "ignore" list.
|
Great stuff Chris!
I get bikers asking questions daily,both here and other places.I do what I can for them.
Oh yes I,ll stand by any day of the week that hospitality should be offered and not asked for.
Al theturtleshead
Last edited by albert crutcher; 4 Feb 2009 at 06:17.
|
4 Feb 2009
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: colombia-ecuador
Posts: 218
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by swampcat
As, much as I hate to revive this thread, I can't ignore your insult.
Perhaps, as a Spanish speaker, your English is somewhat suspect and no insult was intended.
However, if it really was your intention to call us 'dickwits; I would very much like to meet with you and discuss this face to face.
Pete
|
My address is widely published here on this site! and I will stand by the statement!
Asking for hospitality rather than waiting for it to be offered makes you sound like a dickwit.Maybe it,s just old fashioned.
Maybe the fact that you can afford the time and money to drive two 1940,s Nortons around South America doesn,t make you sound like you need too much charity!!!
Al theturtleshead
So you won,t have to search to hard
THE TURTLES HEAD
La Niña 626 y Juan Leon Mera
Quito Ecuador
005932 565544
|
4 Feb 2009
|
|
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 619
|
|
|
Wits
Hi Al, as a fellow Scot I would ask you to not refer to people in the terms you use unless you are face to face. It is against Scots rules of etiquette as much as elsewhere. Your suggesttion that you're not afraid etc is the sort of stupidity that makes me no longer be so quick to admit to my nationality. Thanks for nothing. Linzi.
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|
helps answer the question - Why Go? Inspirational stories by veteran travellers Greg Frazier (5 times RTW), Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries), Tiffany Coates (Mongolia Mayhem) and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).
Get Ready! covers planning, paperwork, medical and many other topics! "Inspirational and Awesome!" See the trailer here!
What stuff do I need - riding gear, clothing, camping gear, first aid kit, tires, maps and GPS? What don't I need? How do I pack it all in? Lots of opinions from over 150 travellers!
break down language barriers, overcome culture shock, ship the bike and deal with breakdowns and emergencies."Just makes me want to pack up and go!" See the trailer here!
Grant demystifies the black art of Tire Changing and Repair to help you STAY on the road! "Very informative and practical." See the trailer here!
Ladies on the Loose! For the first time ever, a motorcycle travel DVD made for women, by women! These intrepid women share their tips to help you plan your own motorcycle adventure. They also answer the women-only questions, and entertain you with amazing tales from the road! Presented by Lois Pryce, veteran solo traveller through South America and Africa and author of 'Lois on the Loose', and 'Red Tape and White Knuckles.'
Cotton or synth sweat-wicking t-shirts with the cool Horizons Unlimited graphic on the front and a snappy slogan (changing every year) on the back.
Show your route on your panniers. Great conversation starter when you meet people on the road!
Motorcycle and travel books to inspire and inform you!
The definitive guide to planning your motorcycle adventure! This insanely ambitious 2-year project has produced an informative and entertaining 5-part, 18 hour video series. "The ultimate round the world rider's how-to!" MCN UK.
Linear Mode
