Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Regional Forums > South America
South America Topics specific to South America only.
Photo by Andy Miller, UK, Taking a rest, Jokulsarlon, Iceland

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Andy Miller, UK,
Taking a rest,
Jokulsarlon, Iceland



Like Tree31Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #166  
Old 17 Dec 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nelson NZ
Posts: 92
Fiction mostly

Earlier this year I was in Chile and met up with a number of foreigners who had purchased bikes in Chile and taken them to Argentina, Bolivia and Peru. In some cases a number of times. As far as I can see if the bike has Chile plates in your name (or you have a poder- official permission from the owner) then you can come and go as you please. As for a length of time outside Chile I don't know but it makes no sense as what will the authorities do if you don't come back? Ask the staff at Colvin and Colvin Honda dealers in Santiago. They sell bikes to foreigners and they say it is fiction. Not sure how this idea originated and spread. One of the reasons I spent big money taking my bike to Chile and it turns out to be FICTION
Reply With Quote
  #167  
Old 18 Dec 2018
Snakeboy's Avatar
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Back into the hamster wheel again, in Oslo - Norway. Did a 5 year RTW trip/250 k kms, 2014-2019
Posts: 1,519
Quote:
Originally Posted by DLyttle View Post
Earlier this year I was in Chile and met up with a number of foreigners who had purchased bikes in Chile and taken them to Argentina, Bolivia and Peru. In some cases a number of times. As far as I can see if the bike has Chile plates in your name (or you have a poder- official permission from the owner) then you can come and go as you please. As for a length of time outside Chile I don't know but it makes no sense as what will the authorities do if you don't come back? Ask the staff at Colvin and Colvin Honda dealers in Santiago. They sell bikes to foreigners and they say it is fiction. Not sure how this idea originated and spread. One of the reasons I spent big money taking my bike to Chile and it turns out to be FICTION
Maybe DanielMoloys experiences from last year is fiction too....

« Jun 2017
daniel.molloy72 daniel.molloy72 is offline
Registered Users
New on the HUBB

Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 3
Update on taking bikes out of Chile
I have spent the last two months trying to deal with this problem, I will give full details of what i have done below but the short version is that it is no longer possible for foreigners to take any vehicle out of Chile by any means.

What i have done:

Firstly i purchased my bike new in Santiago with a local friend helping me get my RUT. Once i had all the paperwork back i attempted to cross the boarder but was turned back because of the "foreigners cant take bikes out" rule. That was the end of that!

Following this i went back to Santiago a little confused so i called the Aduana (boarder patrol guards) They told me that it was possible to take the bike out of the country if it was registered in a Chileans name. He can then make me out a poder (Which allows me to use the bike and take it out of the country). So another week passed while i transferred the bike to my Chielan friend and got all the paperwork back. Eventually headed back to the boarder, turns out (according the the Aduana at the boarder) That what i was told by the other Aduana inst true and that only Chilean residents can cross the boarder with a vehicle and they refused to let me out, i tried three different times at two different boarder crossings and was turned back each time.

This is the end of the trip for me, i am now heading back to Santiago to sell the bike and get out of dodge.

From my experience it is game over for Chile, there is no way to do it. I have spent more than two months in total trying to no avail.

Note for Rrichardfrost: From my personal experience unfortunately neither of your ideas will work. The issue is not with ownership, it is with you being foreign. So it doesn't matter if you rent or buy (i have effectively done both) the issue of being foreign will still stop you crossing.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for anyone reading this, just trying to avoid someone else wasting all the time & money that i have!»
__________________
In the end everything will be fine. If its not fine its not the end....
Reply With Quote
  #168  
Old 21 Dec 2018
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 12
I met a German in Argentina yesterday, he bought one 4 days ago in Santiago. It took him 2 weeks.

I didn't ask him what to do, but there is a way.
Reply With Quote
  #169  
Old 28 Dec 2018
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nelson NZ
Posts: 92
Ask the Customs

I had not read this. In the absence of any new posts I have asked the Chile Customs via their on line service. Will post the reply when I get one. So far I got the receipt

Solicitud ingresada correctamente. Su número de Solicitud es: V476514
Reply With Quote
  #170  
Old 5 Jan 2019
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nelson NZ
Posts: 92
What the law says in Chile

Here is the link to the regulations in Chile on taking a vehicle out of the country as supplied by the Oficina de Informaciones, Reclamos y Sugerencias OIRS Servicio Nacional de Aduanas in Chile. in Dec 2018

https://www.aduana.cl/capitulo-4-sal...txt_cuerpo_T16
In 17.1 it says that according to the law chapter IV (17) you can't take a Chilean registered vehicle out of the country unless you have either a Chilean Identity card, a certificate of residency or domicile for foreigners or permanent residency all issued by the immigration authority. This applies to countries except Argentina and Bolivia. Section 17.2 covers the exit of vehicles to Argentina under the agreement between Chile and Argentina.

Section 17.2.3 Con todo, en caso que el conductor del vehículo fuere su propietario y tuviere nacionalidad extranjera deberá presentar declaración jurada simple ante Notario, en la cual se compromete a retornar el vehículo al país dentro del plazo autorizado. (Usually 180 days)

This says "In every case where the driver of the vehicle is the owner and has foreign nationality they must present a sworn declaration in front of a Notary in which they promise to return the vehicle to the country (Chile) within the authorised time frame.

Section 17.3 refers to the Temporary Exit and Entry Agreement for vehicles between Chile and Bolivia. It says this is the same as written in 17.1 above

So my understanding now is that unless you meet the residential requirements of 17.1 you can only take a Chilean registered vehicle you own out of Chile to Argentina and then only if you have the appropriate sworn statement (called a Poder). You definitely can't take the bike directly to Peru and I am almost certain you can't take it directly to Bolivia either

The requirements are detailed in a very helpful and accurate post here by Katalyst on 3/1/2019. He also mentions the local people at Suzi and the service they provide which looks to be well worthwhile and value for money
https://www.suzisantiago.com/ I would strongly recommend using this service as they are in constant touch with the day to day reality. I would avoid taking too much notice of travellers who have not been in the area recently http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...santiago-96943

The Question then arises as to if you can take the bike to a third country from Argentina. I think you can provided you have the all the papers in your name. It would be good to hear from other travellers

Why all the confusion? I think the rules are not enforced or followed exactly the same at each border post. This I have seen from entering Chile on my foreign registered bike.

It may be that buying a foreign registered bike in Chile is the easiest way but then you are limited by the 90 days that the bike can stay in Chile but at least you can cross any border with the appropriate poder etc

Last edited by DLyttle; 6 Jan 2019 at 01:01.
Reply With Quote
  #171  
Old 4 Feb 2019
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Sydney
Posts: 10
Poders are easy to get - it's the declaration jurada that I referred to in my original post. It is, as the Chilean government site states, simply a notarised / sworn declaration that you'll return the bike to Chile.


Absolutely obtain one as one of the process of buying the bike, but note that I crossed about 6 borders (Chile -> Argentina; Argentina -> Bolivia; Bolivia -> Chile; Chile -> Argentina; Argentina -> Chile) in two months and never needed the declaration jurada.


The documents that the aduanas/migraciones officers care about are the proof of ownership document and the authorisation (if the proof of ownership isn't in your name).


As for taking the vehicle into countries other than Argentina and Bolivia, I'd guess that the Chilean identity card that the site refers to is the RUT and its associated certificate, which is necessary for buying the bike anyway, so no problems there.
Reply With Quote
  #172  
Old 7 May 2019
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nelson NZ
Posts: 92
Identity card and temporary RUT

They are not the same thing. The temporary RUT is readily available to foreigners who want to make purchases in Chile like vehicles. A Chilean resident is needed to guarantee that if the foreigner incurs any tax liabilities and is not around to pay them then the guarantor will pay.

A Chilean ID card is a more complicated process involving immigration etc. Normally you need a job etc etc. The permanent RUT and the ID card seem to be one and the same thing or at least have the number. I had one a few years ago and it took a lot of lawyer time to get it.

But anyway I don't think you need a Chilean ID card to move from one country to another outside Chile with your Chilean registered bike. Just your passport and Patron or poder (ownership papers in your name or authority from the bikes owner)
Reply With Quote
  #173  
Old 11 Nov 2019
LM LM is offline
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by DLyttle View Post
Here is the link to the regulations in Chile on taking a vehicle out of the country as supplied by the Oficina de Informaciones, Reclamos y Sugerencias OIRS Servicio Nacional de Aduanas in Chile. in Dec 2018

https://www.aduana.cl/capitulo-4-sal...txt_cuerpo_T16
In 17.1 it says that according to the law chapter IV (17) you can't take a Chilean registered vehicle out of the country unless you have either a Chilean Identity card, a certificate of residency or domicile for foreigners or permanent residency all issued by the immigration authority. This applies to countries except Argentina and Bolivia. Section 17.2 covers the exit of vehicles to Argentina under the agreement between Chile and Argentina.

Section 17.2.3 Con todo, en caso que el conductor del vehículo fuere su propietario y tuviere nacionalidad extranjera deberá presentar declaración jurada simple ante Notario, en la cual se compromete a retornar el vehículo al país dentro del plazo autorizado. (Usually 180 days)

This says "In every case where the driver of the vehicle is the owner and has foreign nationality they must present a sworn declaration in front of a Notary in which they promise to return the vehicle to the country (Chile) within the authorised time frame.

Section 17.3 refers to the Temporary Exit and Entry Agreement for vehicles between Chile and Bolivia. It says this is the same as written in 17.1 above

So my understanding now is that unless you meet the residential requirements of 17.1 you can only take a Chilean registered vehicle you own out of Chile to Argentina and then only if you have the appropriate sworn statement (called a Poder). You definitely can't take the bike directly to Peru and I am almost certain you can't take it directly to Bolivia either

The requirements are detailed in a very helpful and accurate post here by Katalyst on 3/1/2019. He also mentions the local people at Suzi and the service they provide which looks to be well worthwhile and value for money
https://www.suzisantiago.com/ I would strongly recommend using this service as they are in constant touch with the day to day reality. I would avoid taking too much notice of travellers who have not been in the area recently http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...santiago-96943

The Question then arises as to if you can take the bike to a third country from Argentina. I think you can provided you have the all the papers in your name. It would be good to hear from other travellers

Why all the confusion? I think the rules are not enforced or followed exactly the same at each border post. This I have seen from entering Chile on my foreign registered bike.

It may be that buying a foreign registered bike in Chile is the easiest way but then you are limited by the 90 days that the bike can stay in Chile but at least you can cross any border with the appropriate poder etc
Then, which do you think is the safest option to proceed to buy a bike in Chile?
1. Otaining a RUT, buying a new bike and resitering under your name? or
2. Buying a used bike and getting an notary autorization?
thanks
Reply With Quote
  #174  
Old 15 Nov 2019
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 139
In this case he's refencing buying a used "FOREIGN" bike, IE not a Chilean registered bike. For example people sell American registered bikes in Chile, they usually get a "poder" then either ride the whole of south America on the Poder (whilst never being the actual owner of the bike) and then face a more complicated sale. Or they get someone like Alex Smith of overland title services to transfer the ownership to the new owner and make them new plates.

The service costs $600 usd roughly. And you'll need to still have a poder to cross the first border, at the border crossing you switch the plates to your new ones that Alex would have posted to you with DHL.
Reply With Quote
  #175  
Old 15 Nov 2019
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 139
To leave Chile with a chilean bike you get a "declaración jurada" station that you'll return within one year. With this they'll give you a permito para circular to leave the country for a year with the bike. But far as I'm aware it's not a big deal if you go over the year.
Reply With Quote
  #176  
Old 13 Dec 2019
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Nelson NZ
Posts: 92
Exiting Chile foreign resident with Chile registered bike

With the declaration you can only cross to Argentina. This is not to say you will not be able to cross to Peru or Bolivia but you are not legally permitted to do so. In the north of Chile people I spoke to had problems crossing even to Argentina but in the south like at Chile Chico it was much easier. Possibly because the only way south in Chile at that point is via Argentina. Once you are in Argentina it seems you can go where you like. As for the consequences I have never heard of any but keep in mind when you got your RUT to purchase the bike you needed a guarantor who was resident in Chile. It is that person who the Chilean customs will be looking for as the guarantee they gave was to cover any tax liabilities you might have in Chile. Since sales staff in some bike dealerships are willing to act as guarantor then you could assume the risk is very small. In my case having my own bike from my home country in my name was the best option, second was buying a foreign bike in Chile and using a poder (plus changing ownership as outlined above if you can) and third option was a Chile registered bike. All options are possible and the preference might change depending on where you are planning to ride. If mostly Chile and the south of Argentina the Chile bike is good as you are not limited to the 90 days in Chile at one time. Anyway this was the situation in March 2019
Reply With Quote
  #177  
Old 4 Feb 2020
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 2
Amounts I've paid buying a motorbike in Chile

Hi All,

I'm fairly new to all this but have been following the forum for a while. I have not seen anyone posting the prices they have paid for purchasing bikes including all fees and accessories to get started traveling and such, so I just want to share mine. I'm sure it can be done for less, but hopefully this will give other people ideas of what expenses are involved when purchasing a motorcycle in Santiago. FYI I ended up with a small Honda XR190.
For the record, my motorcycle knowledge, time of traveling and Spanish language skills are limited which made me opt for some help from a local company Suzi Santiago. They help sorting all the things described in the first post of the thread. They are not necessary, but for me very helpful.

Motorcycle budget:
Suzi Santiago: 160.000 CLP
3 month insurance: 52.000 CLP
Motor Oil and chain oil (of course there'll be cost to general maintenance throughout the journey but this was my upfront cost) : 45.000 CLP
Phone holder: 13.000 CLP
Rack (this took a while to sort out how to add a rack for side cases on the XR. Only place that could help custom build it was JJR) : 75.000 CLP
Side cases: 45.000 CLP
Transfer fee (civil register and fee for Notaria) :102.000 CLP
Rut: 4700 CLP
Local atm fee: 33.000 CLP
Fee debit card: 33.000 CLP
Fee credit card: 48.000 CLP
Total cost without the cost of the MC: 610.700 CLP

The bike cost me 1.600.000 CLP. I expect to have about 15 % loss on it which will then have cost me: 240.000 CLP

Total cost of having purchased the MC: 850.700 CLP

I know these amounts will be different to other people and will depend on if they can buy the bikes themselves, have better ways of obtaining money for the purchase. But hopefully it provides a realistic view of the different expenses that are/can be involved in obtaining a bike in Santiago.
Still cheaper for me to buy it here than ship my own bike, but more expensive than I originally had imagined.

Happy riding!
Reply With Quote
  #178  
Old 6 Mar 2020
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 1
I also went through Suzi Santiago and my cost were similar and honestly I don't know if I could do it without them. I bought a dr650 slightly used so saved some money from buying it brand new. Also, They have a meetings where they go over border crossings, the best borders to cross and a bunch of other useful info. Highly recommend.
Reply With Quote
  #179  
Old 16 Apr 2020
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Tucson
Posts: 75
American Plated Moto

Quote:
Originally Posted by glasswave View Post
You no longer need a carnet for S Am. It is easy to buy a bike in Chile. Jut get a RUT number and then make your purchase (do a search for the process), but if you buy in Chile, sell in chile.
Do you know if its best to buy an American Titled and Plated moto in Chile or Argentina by an AMERICAN? I am looking for a moto that I can buy, transfer title and plates while I am in the States,
Reply With Quote
  #180  
Old 16 Apr 2020
BruceP's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: St Helens
Posts: 763
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kino Jeff View Post
Do you know if its best to buy an American Titled and Plated moto in Chile or Argentina by an AMERICAN? I am looking for a moto that I can buy, transfer title and plates while I am in the States,
Just buy a Chilean bike. More choice available. Get the paperwork done and ride with less hassle. Or ship your own.

Sent from my Moto G (5S) using Tapatalk
__________________
--

http://www.ytc1.co.uk
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 3 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 3 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BIKE AVAILABILITY IN SANTIAGO DE CHILE Sunnyhoedl Bike Swap or Rent 5 7 May 2011 00:38
Bike Crate Storage Santiago Chile lilleby South America 1 6 Aug 2008 00:22
Shipping bike into Santiago Chile lend Trip Transport 4 29 Nov 2006 01:16
Bike rental in Santiago Chile veesquared South America 3 8 Sep 2006 03:10
Bike from Oz into Santiago de Chile Dingo Travellers Seeking Travellers 1 3 Jul 2005 22:53

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

  • Virginia: April 24-27 2025
  • Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
  • Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
  • CanWest: July 10-13 2025
  • Switzerland: Date TBC
  • Ecuador: Date TBC
  • Romania: Date TBC
  • Austria: Sept. 11-14
  • California: September 18-21
  • France: September 19-21 2025
  • Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:15.