Chile border crossing

[franta]

My friend is headed down to Chile from Alberta Canada. When his trip is complete he will leave the bike in Punta Arenas, Chile. He will then fly back to Alberta and sell me the bike. I am then planning to fly down to Punta Arenas with the change in title under my name and start to make my way back to Canada. I am wondering whether or not anyone knows if I will have trouble crossing the border from Chile due to the title and licence plate change (Alberta licence plates are non-transferable). Unfortunately, due to work commitments we cannot meet down in Chile to do the exchange in person. Should my friend visit a registries/notary office in Chile prior to returning to Alberta and make some sort of an official declaration?

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Dmwbmw]

What kind of exchange could you do even if you were both in Chile?
And what kind of notary statement would be of any value?


I wish i could give you definitive info about what you need to do, but i cant.

But i will tell you a story to give you an idea of how things work down here.

A few months ago i was riding from Santiago to Argentina via Libertadores pass.
At the top, where the border control is, i wasnt paying attention and stayed on the truckers road and so missed the border crossing, as they do their paperwork elsewhere. The signage is very easy to miss and the usual border control guy must have been taking a pee. I was 65 km into Argentina when i became totally aware of my mistake. I turned around but this time was directed into the border control area by an officer.

But my papers were all wrong as they showed i was still in Chile but i was coming in from the Arg side. What to do? Well, i just rode past the cars in the line, pretended i owned the place, and rode through and out the other side without stopping. No one made a move. They noticed me but didnt care. I was a little worried they might shoot me.

I rode back a ways into Chile and waited 10 minutes to go back and cross through properly this time.

No one mentioned what had happened, not sure if they had really noticed, or cared.

This has no bearing on your case, just trying to say sometimes you dont want to overthink these things.

[s445203]

One thing I would check is whether your friend would be allowed to leave Chile without a bike, having entered it with a bike. If it's a normal part of Chile, he won't be able to (Chile Aduana were very clear they would not let me do so) - to do so he needs to transfer the TVIP to someone for the duration he's out of Chile.

Now, Punta Arenas is a Free Trade Zone, and so the above may not apply. However, I'd double check it - try ringing the Punta Arenas aduana office.

If it's a problem, a possible solution is to park the bike in Argentina - there's no such issue there.

The rest I can't comment on.

[checkerdd]

What you want to do is theoretically legal. Punta Arenas is a Chilean free trade zone and as such is one of the places where a North American can sell a bike. To be sure one of you should visit a Chilean Counsel before you go through with it.

[xfiltrate]

I need some enlightenment here. After a review of regulations governing free trades zones (Chile), I was unable to find documentation authorizing/ the sale of a foreign registered vehicle/motorcycle that was entered into Chile on a Temporary Vehicle Import Permit in a free trade zone.

Info in English here:

ZonAustral: FAQ

And, what does the nationality of the buyer or seller have to do with the transfer of title? I don't get it??? It seems to me where the bike is registered in more important than the nationality of the owner.

If anyone does contact aduana or Counsel of Chile - please post clarification here, meanwhile I would not bet on the transfer of title for a TVIP imported foreign registered motorcycle being legal in a "free trade zone." But, I welcome any documentation to the contrary.

thanks

xfiltrate

[El Forko]

A friend of mine did the following to sell his UK registered bike to a Dutchman in Chile:

- Sell the bike and complete the re-registration in UK, so the new owner has the correct paperwork for the bike with his name on it.

- Meet in Chile, and ride the bike together to the border.

- Cross the border with the original owner as the rider, handing in the TIP and thus legally leaving Chile. (Aduana don't usually want to see the Vehicle Doc when leaving).

- Switch drivers, drive into Arg and then return to Chile - with the new owner receiving the TIP.

BUT.... As s445203 correctly stated, Chile won't let you leave without your bike - you must sign the bike over to someone else remaining in Chile before you leave.

So.....

Perhaps your friend can sign the bike over to a friendly bike dealer, who then signs it back to you as the new owner. Just a guess - you (or your friend) need to check with Aduana. (I lost my TIP in Chile and visited the Aduana in Osorno, who were super helpful.)

Or, perhaps your mate can sell the bike (Gringos can sell their bikes in the Zona Francas of Chile) and then you buy it back.

Might be worth emailing Alejandro Lago, who has a garage in Punta A and supports Motoadventura on their South America tours. He is a good bloke, has his own garage and speaks good English:

Alejandro Lago
Street Ona 0471
Punta Arenas
mobile +56-96401233
phone +56-61212737
email: alelago@123.cl

My last bright idea is to email Sandra at Dakar Motos in Buenos Aires and ask her if she knows a solution from within Arg, leaving your bike in Ushuaia. I am 99% sure that your mate can depart Arg without his bike, so there may be an option there. In fact, it may be as simple as doing that and then you simply arrive with the new docs and ride out of Arg and into Chile. Like I said, more often than not, the out-going Aduana just take you TIP when you leave the country without looking at it or your passport.

Good luck!!

[ivanjova]

hola

he leido tu idea y todos los post que han escrito, yo vivo en rio grande tierra del fuego paso varias veces al año la frontera chilena.argentina y quisiera decirte un par de cosas.
la posibilidad de pasar con papeles fuera de orden son muy remotas el agente de aduana es de revisar todo por lo general.por otro lado con respecto a punta arenas es libre comercio pero para empresas radicadas alli en forma oficial . lo que tiene de ventaja chile con respecto a argentina es que puedes ingresar vehiculos usados ya sean autos o motos y eso puede ser favorable para lo que intentas hacer. si tu quieres me puedo dirigir al consulado chileno en rio grande y consultar bien tu inqietud.y responderte que dicen.
saludos
ivan

[chris]

Originally Posted by ivanjova

hola

he leido tu idea y todos los post que han escrito, yo vivo en rio grande tierra del fuego paso varias veces al año la frontera chilena.argentina y quisiera decirte un par de cosas.
la posibilidad de pasar con papeles fuera de orden son muy remotas el agente de aduana es de revisar todo por lo general.por otro lado con respecto a punta arenas es libre comercio pero para empresas radicadas alli en forma oficial . lo que tiene de ventaja chile con respecto a argentina es que puedes ingresar vehiculos usados ya sean autos o motos y eso puede ser favorable para lo que intentas hacer. si tu quieres me puedo dirigir al consulado chileno en rio grande y consultar bien tu inqietud.y responderte que dicen.
saludos
ivan

Any chance of writing in English so that the other 99.9% can understand what you're saying? Sadly, the overwhelming majority of non Spanish speaking hubb users won't bother to put your words into a translation program to see if your comment is relevant.

I just tried (I'm at work) and Google Translate is blocked by our firewall!

[markharf]

Per Google translator:

I read your idea and every post they have written, I live in rio grande tierra del fuego step several times a year and would like the border chilena.argentina tell you a few things.
the possibility of going through papers out of order are very remote customs agent is to check everything I general.por other side with respect to free trade is punta arenas but for companies located there officially. it has an advantage over Argentina chili is that you can enter used vehicles whether cars or bikes and that may be favorable to what you're doing. if you want me I can direct the Chilean consulate in Rio Grande and consult your inqietud.y good answer they say.
regards

[ivanjova]

It is very hard to leave the country without being checked. Chilean officers pay a lot of attention to papers, the Free Zone in Chile is only "free" for resident companies. If you want I can try to find out more in the Chilean Consulate, just let me know exactly what you plan to do and what documents you have.
(Ivan can´t write in English, I am his wife)

[chris]

Originally Posted by ivanjova

It is very hard to leave the country without being checked. Chilean officers pay a lot of attention to papers, the Free Zone in Chile is only "free" for resident companies. If you want I can try to find out more in the Chilean Consulate, just let me know exactly what you plan to do and what documents you have.
(Ivan can´t write in English, I am his wife)

Many thanks for that.

[Tony LEE]

Originally Posted by chris

Any chance of writing in English so that the other 99.9% can understand what you're saying? Sadly, the overwhelming majority of non Spanish speaking hubb users won't bother to put your words into a translation program to see if your comment is relevant.

I just tried (I'm at work) and Google Translate is blocked by our firewall!

Bit rude Chris. Bloke tries to help and you give him a roasting for not writing in English. Contrary to your arrogant assertions, I'd bet everyone else reading this thread DID put it through Google Translate.

May not be perfect but good enough

"Bit grosero Chris. Bloke intenta ayudarle y darle un tostado por no escribir en Inglés. Contrariamente a sus afirmaciones arrogantes, apostaría todo el mundo la lectura de este hilo lo puso a través de Google Translate."

[chris]

Originally Posted by Tony LEE

Bit rude Chris. Bloke tries to help and you give him a roasting for not writing in English. Contrary to your arrogant assertions, I'd bet everyone else reading this thread DID put it through Google Translate.

May not be perfect but good enough

"Bit grosero Chris. Bloke intenta ayudarle y darle un tostado por no escribir en Inglés. Contrariamente a sus afirmaciones arrogantes, apostaría todo el mundo la lectura de este hilo lo puso a través de Google Translate."

Roasting? Wot? Not rude nor arrogant at all, neither in terms of how I said it nor what I said.

[El Forko]

Franta,

Itching to know the outcome of your plate-swap. Have you made it into Argentina yet? (Hoping for a good 'border busting' story!!!)

[ta-rider]

I would not change plate and title only come with.power of authority or at least bring copys of the old documents as well: Ａｄｖｅｎｔ&# xff55;ｒｅ motorbike trip around Latin America - Chile and Argentina